Sciencemadness Discussion Board - Glassware in Australia

Glassware in Australia

borrowedlawyer - 25-8-2012 at 21:32

Hello,

I am trying to locate a place that will sell glassware to indviduals in Australia, I have found one place but they require me to fill out a huge end user deceleration. I was also looking at this: http://www.geckooptical.com/chemistry_set.htm?gclid=CKCA5t2t... but it looked rather expensive at $375, but I do not know how much it would cost elsewhere.
Can you please reccomend a place to purchase glassware and maybe also chemicals. Also is that set I linked a good price?

[Edited on 2-9-2012 by ScienceSquirrel]

Doc B - 26-8-2012 at 01:02

It's a very steep price mate. You'd be best to stick to under B19 sizes here due to legislative restriction which could leave you vulnerable to prosecution should you be found in possesion or believed to be the owner.

Lithium - 26-8-2012 at 01:10

you should purchase glassware from here: http://www.laboyglass.com/

I have bought glassware from them and i must say it is excellent and they are cheaper than many other suppliers

Common Chemicals

borrowedlawyer - 29-8-2012 at 03:30

Thanks for the tips.
Also where would you get basic chemicals such as HCl, etc?
Thanks
EDIT: I am in Newcastle, NSW if that helps.

[Edited on 29-8-2012 by borrowedlawyer]

Hexavalent - 29-8-2012 at 04:37

Search around a little before posting - UTFSE!

There have been numerous threads on topics like this previously.

AndersHoveland - 29-8-2012 at 12:13

That is just ridiculous how much glassware gets regulated in some places.

It is just glass!!! I think it is discrimination against amateur chemistry enthusiasts, who constitute a minority in society. Too bad glassware does not have any association with women's rights or something like that.

Doc B - 1-9-2012 at 08:49

Quote: Originally posted by AndersHoveland

That is just ridiculous how much glassware gets regulated in some places.

It is just glass!!! I think it is discrimination against amateur chemistry enthusiasts, who constitute a minority in society. Too bad glassware does not have any association with women's rights or something like that.

Haha yeah it is. Worse still is that in some places (Australia) you don't even have to be the owner of such items muchless in possession of restricted items to be up to your eye balls in it. There is one bloke down here, a scientist who has never been in any kind of trouble previously, who is currently looking at a life time sentence because the old bill raided some place of ill repute and the crims they caught with tens of kilos of gear and glass said all the stuff was his. The cooks weren't charged but the poor old scientist is still going through the wringer.

Can you even imagin that?

Wiltronics

borrowedlawyer - 7-9-2012 at 01:56

What do you think about this mob, http://www.wiltronics.com.au/?

Thank You

Doc B - 7-9-2012 at 03:21

Nice prices, never tried them before though. You may note the EUD requirement with the kits thought, even the 14/23

Gearhead_Shem_Tov - 7-9-2012 at 04:56

Quote: Originally posted by borrowedlawyer

What do you think about this mob, http://www.wiltronics.com.au/?

Thank You

They have been pretty reliable for me, though I don't think much of their filtration flasks (which look too lightly built to take much vacuum).

-Bobby

Australian Glassware Suppliers

james2395 - 12-2-2014 at 15:19

Hello, I am new to the forum.

I currently live in Victoria, Australia and I am interested in a distillation set up, however in my part of the country (and most aside from SA) need EUDs to buy chemistry equipment. There is problematic for me in two ways, firstly I would need to get photo ID which I do not have and secondly (and less importantly) my purchase would not be private so I may be subject to police raids if it *appeared* I was doing something illegal.

Does anyone on here know a glassware supplier within Australia willing to send without EUDs? Does this website permit private selling?

hydride_shift - 12-2-2014 at 16:57

http://sciencesupply.com.au/shop/content/2-legal-notice
thats pretty comprehensive as far as EUDs
also their online store is really good

14/23 condensers and glass elbow joints do the trick which you can get anywhere no questions asked (cept bloody qld)

james2395 - 12-2-2014 at 18:13

Quote: Originally posted by hydride_shift

http://sciencesupply.com.au/shop/content/2-legal-notice
thats pretty comprehensive as far as EUDs
also their online store is really good

14/23 condensers and glass elbow joints do the trick which you can get anywhere no questions asked (cept bloody qld)

If you didn't read condensers and the most important things aren't allowed.

hydride_shift - 12-2-2014 at 19:42

Quote: Originally posted by james2395

Quote: Originally posted by hydride_shift

If you didn't read condensers and the most important things aren't allowed.

perhaps you are the one that didn't read
no EUD for a condenser below b29 (smaller than 24/29)

Mr_Magnesium - 12-2-2014 at 19:43

Quote: Originally posted by james2395

Quote: Originally posted by hydride_shift

If you didn't read condensers and the most important things aren't allowed.

Do you still live with your parents? background relating to chemistry or any of the sciences especially at a tertiary level? Around the age of 18 or younger? Hell, even race plays a part.

If you do fit into those categories, there is a minuet chance that they will chase you over glassware purchases unless you order big (2L-5L> flasks) or order precursors and list 1 chemicals.

There is a document which is called "Code of Practice for Supply Diversion", google it and it will outline the chems and certain pieces of apparatus that can land you in hot water.

I can vouch for Laboy and Wiltronics.

Laboy for your flasks, condensers, adapters and various accessories (keck clips) Pretty much everything. Just a note, anything from China is highly scrutinized so expect a call from the Chemical Division in Organised Crime.

Wiltronics is good for beakers, filter papers and Hg thermometers.

Dr Bob our forum glass supplier has an excellent range at great prices. Try and see if any other members want to order internationally so that you can pool together and cut down the shipping cost.

I really really want to point out, don't buy anything in Australia relating to glassware because it is ridiculously expensive and the people are extremely rude. My local glassware supplier does not even reply to me anymore when i asked if he had any 50ml RBF's in stock (which he does). If you are worried about EUD's then order from the US.

Theres a quite a bit of info on these forums regarding Australian chemistry but its not that informative after you read it all

james2395 - 12-2-2014 at 21:37

I have bought 2L flasks from China just before, and rang customs, they said it's all okay.

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chemaddict - 13-2-2014 at 03:26

just buy your glassware from south australia northern territory or tasmania there is no eud reporting in these states ,but you can't live in nsw and order from south australia an eud would still be required .
you would have to go there

Mr_Magnesium - 13-2-2014 at 06:40

Quote: Originally posted by james2395

I have bought 2L flasks from China just before, and rang customs, they said it's all okay.

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[Edited on 13.2.14 by bfesser]

Customs will not stop it because it isn't restricted.

Also i don't think they are the people that you should be worried about if raids concern you.

Dr.Bob - 13-2-2014 at 11:07

I can ship to Australia, and the postage for smaller glassware is not too bad, like 14/20 distillation kits and smaller filtration flasks and funnels. Look at the list in here* for a rough idea of some things, plus the photos in the thread. I also have a couple of 14/20 distillation kits available for about $80, which would have the basic 14/20 distillation apparatus, flasks and adapters. I do also have some 24/40 distillation equipment and adapters, but am running out of larger 24/40 flasks.

* = http://www.sciencemadness.org/talk/viewthread.php?tid=15667&...

Mesa - 13-2-2014 at 11:55

If you order your gear online, you often don't need to send in photo ID(although the EUD is still required. EUD's are required by law and it seems to be rather well enforced.)

I've bought from sciencesupply.com.au and can recommend them as far as shipping times/replying to emails goes.

Funkerman23 - 13-2-2014 at 12:01

As a US guy , even I am jealous of some of the stuff sciencesupply.com.au sells. Y'all have a good ally in them.

ZIGZIGLAR - 14-2-2014 at 01:51

Matty from Science Supply is great to deal with and is definitely happy to discuss your projects and help out where he can.

I can personally attest to absolutely no problems importing glassware to Victoria, including a lot of things that would have required EUDs if purchased in Australia.

Labfriend.com.au are an e-business, so you have to anticipate 3 week lead times, but they have a lot of good stuff and accommodating staff.

Livingstone.com.au have a lot of the Simax range of glassware at good prices, but they've messed me around a lot, so I'd have to mention you might have order mistakes to deal with.

Wiltronics have a limited range, but their prices for what the do have are comparable with Chinese eBay sellers. I've got some Chinese glassware - the stuff I have is evidently not perfectly shaped or unflawed in quality, but it's thick and handles high vacuum fine.

Haven't tried any Chinese electronic lab equipment though, so can't comment.

There a few more stores to consider, but most still require EUDs. Just google a particular piece of glassware and you'll get more hits for stores.

tekkado - 22-2-2014 at 18:03

If you buy overseas and it would normally need an EUD here do they contact you and then you have to get one? And with an EUD from everything I've read do you have to be from a company? Because my reasoning would be I'm a chem major looking to experiment on my own like everyone here. Is it's purpose just to identify who you are should they suspect something?
I'm in QLD too =[

james2395 - 22-2-2014 at 21:14

Quote: Originally posted by tekkado

If you buy overseas and it would normally need an EUD here do they contact you and then you have to get one? And with an EUD from everything I've read do you have to be from a company? Because my reasoning would be I'm a chem major looking to experiment on my own like everyone here. Is it's purpose just to identify who you are should they suspect something?
I'm in QLD too =[

I think it's more if you get caught doing something you would get a more severe punishment for signing an agreement saying you won't do anything illegal with the equipment, I shall update this thread upon the safe arrival of my glassware.

tekkado - 22-2-2014 at 23:53

oh okay ive been under the impression that you cant have any of that stuff unless you had a legitimate need for it??

ZIGZIGLAR - 23-2-2014 at 03:21

I've received plenty of things from China that would have required an EUD if purchased from an Australian seller. They just mark it "wine making glassware". I'd probably be careful if importing to QLD, but anywhere else I wouldn't worry.

james2395 - 23-2-2014 at 22:54

I received my package today, customs even quarantined it and nothing has happened.

ZIGZIGLAR - 23-2-2014 at 23:49

Just bare in mind that owning glassware without an EUD that requires an EUD by law in your state could potentially lead to unsavory legal ramifications for you if you're unlucky enough to have a copper snoop around in your lab ... I would most certainly avoid having anything laying around that could lead a suspicious mind to the wrong conclusion (ie that you're breaking the law [ie rectifying spirits etc]).

Mr_Magnesium - 24-2-2014 at 01:17

Quote: Originally posted by james2395

I received my package today, customs even quarantined it and nothing has happened.

Possibility of a call the following week.

You should be fine though

I firmly believe they do not bother you at all if you have a tertiary education relating to the sciences and fill out a EUD claiming it is for hobby purposes. However the exception is of course ordering obvious precursors/reagents used in manufacturing or those 50L flasks which do not point to any sort of hobby related activities. Its always the intent, thats what they will mostly pursue you on.

Just steer clear from drugs or large amounts of explosives.

tekkado - 24-2-2014 at 01:40

So today I was told pretty much the EUD is just like a license to own the glass. I thought it was alot more hoop jumping then it seemed. So why does everyone go to lengths to avoid them? (I understand some people may be doing 'illegal' things)

ZIGZIGLAR - 24-2-2014 at 02:42

In QLD you can't even legally own a lot of stuff, regardless of any EUD. The supplier of the goods must keep the EUD on their records (or give them directly to the police if in QLD) and supply the EUD to the police if requested.

So it's not a big deal to fill out an EUD if everything else in your lab is above board. The issue is you may need licenses for certain things that you're unaware of, or lack the appropriate safety precautions (like the equivalent of a gun being locked in a case) ...

james2395 - 24-2-2014 at 02:52

Quote: Originally posted by tekkado

So today I was told pretty much the EUD is just like a license to own the glass. I thought it was alot more hoop jumping then it seemed. So why does everyone go to lengths to avoid them? (I understand some people may be doing 'illegal' things)

Most people on this forum is of the 'drugs are bad' culture, mainly because of pressures from society, law, etc. Drugs aren't necessarily bad and I am not morally against synthesising them, however the law is entirely different matter.

turd - 24-2-2014 at 03:30

Quote: Originally posted by james2395

Most people on this forum is of the 'drugs are bad' culture

Actually, it's only a vocal minority: https://www.sciencemadness.org/whisper/viewthread.php?tid=12...

Floydle - 13-5-2015 at 22:13

LabFriend have a great range of glassware available for delivery anywhere in Australia:

http://www.labfriend.com.au/

If you need any help, there is livechat on the website as well.

http://www.labfriend.com.au/lab-consumables-and-laboratory-g...