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Type of reaction?

guy - 27-6-2004 at 19:03

I searched around for this but couldn't find an answer.


What type of reaction is

NaCH3COO + NaOH ---> CH4 + Na2CO3

chemoleo - 27-6-2004 at 19:17

No, nothing will happen, except to increase the pH. If you did it the way round (i.e. NaAc + acetic acid, you'd vary/lower the pH that way, and thereby create a buffer system...

[Edited on 28-6-2004 by chemoleo]

vulture - 28-6-2004 at 11:31

Is this a hypothetical reaction?

It looks rather unrealistic IMHO.

hodges - 28-6-2004 at 16:10

I think that reaction takes place when the two are heated strongly together.

chemoleo - 28-6-2004 at 16:18

Yah I guess you have a point :) - how did I not see that? :o
Similar to making acetone or formaldehyde from certain Ca salts I guess... (don't ask me for details- just something that came back to me)

As to the name of the reaction - would pyrolysis be an appropriate term? Somehow I think it's applied to something else...

[Edited on 29-6-2004 by chemoleo]

Polverone - 28-6-2004 at 16:20

As for the name, can we call it a decarboxylation?

guy - 29-6-2004 at 12:12

This is a real reaction. Ive done it
You should do it. its real easy

Esplosivo - 29-6-2004 at 12:48

That reaction is a decarboxylation rxn. The reactions occur when the two reactants are fused together.

Edit: Found some proof just for some to make sure:
http://www.chemguide.co.uk/organicprops/acids/decarbox.html


[Edited on 29-6-2004 by Esplosivo]

Blind Angel - 30-6-2004 at 09:34

Would this work also with Amino Acid or they would be decomposed before decarbox.

Esplosivo - 30-6-2004 at 09:38

I really don't know about such a rxn, but it would require an amino acid salt, and most probably it would form a diamine. Anyone has any ideas?

guy - 30-6-2004 at 12:28

Would the decarboxylation rxn work with other salts like potassium or magnesium?

t_Pyro - 30-6-2004 at 19:47

Decarboxylation is usually done with soda lime.

The organic acid (radical) undergoing decarboxylation decarboxylates faster if there's some electron-withdrawing group present in the compound, (eg. a nitro group). Ammino acid would be more difficult to decarboxylate, since there's an electron releasing group (ammino group) present there.

[Edited on 1-7-2004 by t_Pyro]