Sciencemadness Discussion Board - Obtain Nitrosyl Tetrafluroborate

Try making a tiny bit of dimanganese heptoxide. That's an incredible compound and you can handle it. It'll also teach you respect if you don't start with it.

This sounds like a bad advice to me, unless you make really small quantities! Not more than a single drop!

Mn2O7 is insanely dangerous and leads to fire and explosions very easily. Having 1 ml of this stuff around already is a serious threat for your hands and eyes. Do not make such large quantities.

Manganese on its own is an interesting element. It allows colorful chemistry and exists in many oxidation states. Try to obtain some KMnO4 and some MnSO4, both are available through eBay.

Finnnicus - 7-5-2013 at 03:09

Ah the many Beautiful states of manganese. There's a great scene from breaking bad, hopefully y'all know it.

Quote:

Hank correctly identifies rhodonite as a manganese inosilicate, while Walt rattles off manganese‘s oxidation states (-3 to +7, with +2 being the most common).

Mn2O7 is very interesting, maybe not for the very beginner-est, but drop wise, easy to manage.

caterpillar - 7-5-2013 at 03:12

Picric acid, gun cotton, nitrourea- these are compounds to start with. Make few grams, no more. Do not even think about Mn2O7!

Finnnicus - 7-5-2013 at 03:14

What's your beef with Mn2O7? And not nitric acid?

woelen - 7-5-2013 at 03:40

Quote: Originally posted by caterpillar

Picric acid, gun cotton, nitrourea- these are compounds to start with. Make few grams, no more. Do not even think about Mn2O7!

No, if you have no experience with chemistry at all, then these are not the things to start with. Energetics is not something to start with, first you need to teach yourself basic capabilities and some basic theory. Things to start with are compounds like copper chloride, sodium acetate, aluminium hydroxide. Fairly easy to make without unacceptable risk and while doing so you learn a lot of basic things, but theoretically and practically.

Peroksit - 7-5-2013 at 04:35

My internet connection has Wikipedia, Chemspider, and most other sources of information blocked. Proxy servers aren't an option since I can't access them in the first place and good librarys are hard to come bye were I live, so neither of those are options. It's not my fault this sites' search engine leaves much to be desired. I typed in "buy from sigma aldrich", and guess what... NO MATCHES FOUND! So if you don't wanna help, GO HANG YOURSELF!!!

Use tor or free vpn (hotspotshield , raptor vpn) and use encrypted google

Hockeydemon - 7-5-2013 at 04:37

We need the amphetamine of nootropics for APO

A new promising nootropic 1000x stronger than previous prototypical piracetame nootropic

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noopept
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On a side note APO is 13?? I'm perplexed by this. Not only does he have quite a bit of chemical jargon down - he is rather articulate. I can't even remember what pointless shit I was doing at 13 years old.

I can't really say I expect anything less of him when it comes to him wanting to explore energetic materials though - if I had understood firework manufacturing at 13 I would have tried. I'm pretty sure that around 13 is when I discovered porn though so I was probably pretty content

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[Edited on 7-5-2013 by Hockeydemon]

Finnnicus - 7-5-2013 at 04:59

Big reveal. I'm 14, so judge me.

Hockeydemon - 7-5-2013 at 05:18

Big reveal. I'm 14, so judge me.

Kid - don't stress it. I wish my parents had facilitated something academic rather than just sport related. I was a pretty smart kid, but I was hardly able to understand this non-sense. Just keep letting your curiosity take you places.

Finnnicus - 7-5-2013 at 05:25

Oh you don't know my parents.

chemcam - 7-5-2013 at 09:23

Big reveal. I'm 14, so judge me.

Just means you have an early start, no judging necessary it a good thing. I wish I had gotten into chemistry at that age but I started at 24.

caterpillar - 7-5-2013 at 20:27

What's your beef with Mn2O7? And not nitric acid?

Very simple- it can blast off after contact with tiniest amount of reducing agents. Like Cl2O7.

Finnnicus - 7-5-2013 at 21:53

Mhmmm, sorry to start an argument but to produce nitrated products you suggested, one would need more nitric acid than just a few ml. A few ml of nitric acid compares to a drop of manganese heptoxide, danger wise, but that's just an opinion.

APO - 8-5-2013 at 14:45

Excuse me, but what does k3wl mean? People call me that a lot on here...

chemcam - 8-5-2013 at 14:55

Excuse me, but what does k3wl mean? People call me that a lot on here...

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=k3wl

K3wl:

K3wls are people, most commonly troubled teenagers, who feel unaccepted by the society and thus constantly call for other k3wls' attention and general pity by pretending illiteracy, criminal intent, self-destructiveness, general irresponsibility and idiocy. The lack of tolerance toward such people is due to their unsurpassed ability to cause a rapid degradation of any forum.

K3wl to forum:
"OMGZ MANZ I BL3W UP A FENCE!"

APO - 8-5-2013 at 14:59

Hmm?

Finnnicus - 8-5-2013 at 16:55

K3wl: AKA APO

APO - 8-5-2013 at 22:46

Fine, be that way.

caterpillar - 9-5-2013 at 04:41

Mhmmm, sorry to start an argument but to produce nitrated products you suggested, one would need more nitric acid than just a few ml. A few ml of nitric acid compares to a drop of manganese heptoxide, danger wise, but that's just an opinion.

Nitric acid cannot explode, but Mn2O7 can. I never made it, but all what I've read about this compound sounds very badly. Useless compound, which can easily (too damn easily) blow up. There is the whole list of such compound- Cl2O7, NCl3 and so on. Cold sulfuric acid plus KMnO4. When this mixture explodes, drops of acid will fly everywhere. For example, just onto your face.

Fantasma4500 - 9-5-2013 at 05:32

agreed.. hanging yourself is physics, this is a forum for chemsitry!!

anyways you can get your IP to run through a proxy.. even TPB has been blocked in my country but i can get on it if i care to proxy my IP, as in when i go on the internet its just proxied.. all times..
proxied IP's pops up as much more interesting to police tho, so you might want to consider that aswell

Hockeydemon - 9-5-2013 at 05:49

Quote: Originally posted by Antiswat

agreed.. hanging yourself is physics, this is a forum for chemsitry!!

anyways you can get your IP to run through a proxy.. even TPB has been blocked in my country but i can get on it if i care to proxy my IP, as in when i go on the internet its just proxied.. all times..
proxied IP's pops up as much more interesting to police tho, so you might want to consider that aswell

Since his (APO) location is 'hill billy country', he 'Hates Obama', and is 13 I would deduce he is an American living in a southern state with a parental imposed website blocker. They are probably afraid he'll draw attention to himself with all the crazy bombs the kid is interested in lol. That or porn.

[Edited on 9-5-2013 by Hockeydemon]

Finnnicus - 9-5-2013 at 06:00

Porn. Definitely porn. It is a parent imposed blocker, to ban him from the blasphemous stuff. Like porn, and Obama.

Trotsky - 9-5-2013 at 11:35

Imagine when he finds out that Obama wants to ensure that all Americans have access to affordable healthcare like every other developed nation, rebuild crumbling infrastructure (Minnesota bridge collapse anyone? I had driven across that bridge that morning!) And properly fund education... that'll get both of his teeth grinding!

Lol

Actually, I still don't think Mn2O7 is that bad. It's inability to contact just about everything make it highly impractical but I've never ever seen it react beyond the little oxidizeable material was present. After talk on here about it detonating at a certain point I tried .5, 1 and 1.5ml on a hot plate. I was hoping for detonation. Instead I got small puffs of purple smoke at all levels tested.

This was the case when heated slowly starting with a cold hot plate and rapidly by moving the material (on foil) over a flame. I should have reported this in the other thread actually.

I know earlier authors reported explosive decomp upon heating but I was surprisingly unable to replicate this.

That said, it is dangerous and requires proper precautions, but I would suggest anyone make this over tatp.

Oh, additionally I again tried detonating manganese heptoxide by impact. I placed .5 and then 1ml in foil and lightly folded it so it wouldn't spill out or splatter. I sat this on concrete and smacked it with a heavy splitting maul. No luck here either.

This was Mn2O7 prepared via KMnO4 and sulfuric acid, it was not cleaned in any way but it did prove highly reactive to organic materials as one would expect, though somewhat surprisingly it would not react to anthracite coal added to it. I began to fear a delayed detonation like I once mentioned here about paraffin wax which cracked my window. Just replaced it last weekend.

DraconicAcid - 9-5-2013 at 11:53

Imagine when he finds out that Obama wants to ensure that all Americans have access to affordable healthcare like every other developed nation, rebuild crumbling infrastructure (Minnesota bridge collapse anyone? I had driven across that bridge that morning!) And properly fund education... that'll get both of his teeth grinding!

You think anyone who considers Obama a "socialist" is going to seriously listen to someone called "Trotsky"?

(Note- as a Canuck, I have no intention of starting an argument about the pros and cons of any American politician, I just wanted to comment on the names.)

[Edited on 9-5-2013 by DraconicAcid]

Trotsky - 9-5-2013 at 14:45

I don't think APO would know who Trotsky was. I don't think 90% of the American electorate knows who Trotsky was.

But yeah, shit, if Obama is a socialist, Trotsky is beyond the radical left.

Lol

Finnnicus - 9-5-2013 at 15:48

Being in APO's age bracket, does it prove a point that I know who Trotsky was? Although I'm not even 100% of the entire american population so...

-I think APO would enjoy a society that is idyllically communist.
Edit: weird punctuation.

[Edited on 9-5-2013 by Finnnicus]

DraconicAcid - 9-5-2013 at 15:54

I don't think APO would know who Trotsky was. I don't think 90% of the American electorate knows who Trotsky was.

I wouldn't judge him for that. I know what grade he's in, and I didn't find out who Trotsky was until the grade after that.

Simbani - 9-5-2013 at 16:00

After talk on here about it detonating at a certain point I tried .5, 1 and 1.5ml on a hot plate. I was hoping for detonation. Instead I got small puffs of purple smoke at all levels tested.

This is likely because you have diluted your Mn2O7 with H2SO4..
It´s very hard to get a good ratio, and powdering the KMnO4 before adding the H2SO4 is vastly more efficient.
I had a very good ratio a few times, and when dropped a single drop of this onto asphalt it detonated on contact. No flashing or popping no, it banged as soon as it contacted the asphalt. The reaction was even more violent with wood, I nearly got ringing ears from this..

I never tested it against shock, but something so reactive almost certainly IS sensitive to mechanical stimuli.

caterpillar - 9-5-2013 at 22:27

Surely KClO3 is much safer (to say nothing about KClO4). I do not see anything interesting in Mn2O7. Too few active oxygen, too hi sensitivity and so on. I know who Trotsky was. This person surely deserved to get a whole syringe with Mn2O7 into his liver. But he was murdered by an ice ax. What a pity.

APO - 10-5-2013 at 00:18

My internet isn't reliable so I use OTHERS WiFi connections, which in turn are public, so they usually have a lot of stuff blocked. Also I don't like Obama because he told everyone at NASA that no funding would be lost, but then he slashed their budget and canceled project constellation. Also I'm not interested in making "crazy bombs", I wanted Nitrosyl Tetrafluoroborate to make Hexanitrohexaazaisowurtzitane for use as a high energy, stealthy propellant. Finally by "hill billy country" I mean I live in a place of vast nothingness, with exception of the occasional Mcdonald's.

Finnnicus - 10-5-2013 at 00:20

Definitely porn related.

Edit: Wow, Hexanitrohexaazaisowurtzitane, thats quite the mouthful and quite the propellent. Ambitious.

[Edited on 10-5-2013 by Finnnicus]

APO - 10-5-2013 at 00:39

Dude, seriously, shut up with the damn porn.

caterpillar - 10-5-2013 at 02:30

My internet isn't reliable so I use OTHERS WiFi connections, which in turn are public, so they usually have a lot of stuff blocked. Also I don't like Obama because he told everyone at NASA that no funding would be lost, but then he slashed their budget and canceled project constellation. Also I'm not interested in making "crazy bombs", I wanted Nitrosyl Tetrafluoroborate to make Hexanitrohexaazaisowurtzitane for use as a high energy, stealthy propellant. Finally by "hill billy country" I mean I live in a place of vast nothingness, with exception of the occasional Mcdonald's.

Well, well. When you will have prepared Cl-20, wake up and go for breakfast. This is just what annoys us- you have not prepared anything simple, but are dreaming about such complicated thing. Have you ever read how this compound can be prepared? Sulfuric acid is a great threat for you, but Nitrosyl Tetrafluoroborate not? Such shit cannot be taken seriously. Grow up.

APO - 10-5-2013 at 03:03

I'm no longer afraid of Sulfuric Acid now that I have gloves that are invulnerable to it and HNIW can be made through so many routes, it's hard to count. With the cost of Nitrosyl Tetrafluoroborate, I'm barely able to get my hands on a few grams, let alone enough to endanger myself or anyone else. Also you have no idea on any preliminary experiments I do in the way of practice. I may be vague, but the fact that I'm well spoken should tell you that I know what I'm getting into.

chemcam - 10-5-2013 at 07:39

If you post a couple of your "preliminary experiments" I bet people will start to respect you. Also, if anyone ever says "Hey APO, step into my van, I have some Nitrosyl Tetrafluroborate and candy" they probably don't.

Trotsky - 10-5-2013 at 09:12

Quote: Originally posted by Simbani

That's the same sort of reaction I've always had from introducing fuel, but I could try less sulfuric acid. I've always found hydrocarbons like asphalt or wax to be best (not sure why coal didn't react) but things like wood were much less powerful.

I've seen people claim that it doesn't detonate. I dunno what sort of vod it has, but that's definite detonation when it cracks a window 12 inches away.

Acidum - 10-5-2013 at 11:56

Quote: Originally posted by chemcam

If you post a couple of your "preliminary experiments" I bet people will start to respect you.

I can sign this. :cool:

I have been following your posts for some time, and I can clearly recall myself of your age. All these dreams of advanced science seems so close, just to get couple of (utterly unobtainable) things and to reach your hands and grab the sweeeeet fruits of knowledge.

Nice idea, would like to see it done, but no, I do not believe that you will be able to do it. So, keep dreaming, keep planing, learn a lot, gain skills, and in some point (more like area) of time you will grow up, and hopefully have enough momentum to do some really extraordinary stuff. Just don't waste yourself in process...

APO - 10-5-2013 at 16:12

YOU ALL WAIT TILL I GET 800 BUCKS!

plante1999 - 10-5-2013 at 16:24

Don't spend 800 buck on this compound. Do something simpler, buy stuff to make easier energetic...

Or you could give me some ha ha ha.

weiming1998 - 11-5-2013 at 04:39

YOU ALL WAIT TILL I GET 800 BUCKS!

No, don't waste 800 dollars on nitrosyl tetrafluoroborate. It'll be probably be the equivalent of spending $800 on nothing anyway, as it would probably hydrolyse very readily. So unless you have a glove-box filled with dry nitrogen/argon, I wouldn't be buying it, especially when 800 dollars could get you a whole bunch of more useful reagents/glassware.

By the way, the compound you're making (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hexanitrohexaazaisowurtzitane) requires a wide range of reagents, including the famed acetic anhydride (you're never going to find a place to buy it without the police visiting you). You also have to buy other reagents, like benzylamine and glyoxal. And good luck doing the hydrogenolysis (which most likely requires high pressure).

Like others have said, try to make simpler compounds before getting onto something like that, which requires both a very well-stocked lab and lots of experience in preparative organic chemistry. If you actually got all the reagents and tried to make this, the best that could happen is no yield/very low yield, the worst is it blowing up in your face.

Motherload - 11-5-2013 at 10:15

Comeon APO.
CL-20 is for chumps ... Try something more interesting like
Octa Nitro Cubane. Shouldn't be a problem for a pro with your skills and labware.
800 bucks should get you half an ounce or so of Cubane.

[Edited on 11-5-2013 by Motherload]

Trotsky - 11-5-2013 at 13:29

Yeah, that's for pussies. Go for hhtdd!

caterpillar - 11-5-2013 at 13:33

Or try to prepare trinitramide N(NO2)3. You'll be the first- this super oxidizer exists only as theoretical possibility. Eternal glory and so on.

APO - 11-5-2013 at 17:22

Would you guys like a lab tour? You guys seem very doubtful.

chemcam - 11-5-2013 at 17:29

Would love to see it, as a heads up though if you use lab pictures from Google make sure you go at least 50 pages deep or you're liable to get caught. Lol

APO - 11-5-2013 at 17:46

What do you mean?

Finnnicus - 11-5-2013 at 19:37

They mean they still doubt you. A video is your only salvation now.

Motherload - 11-5-2013 at 22:19

Yes Dexter. We would like a virtual tour .... As long as your sister named Dee Dee isn't running around and flicking switches etc.
Do you have any mega joule chemical LASERs kicking around ?
Electrical EMP generators ?
L-RAD sound emitters ?

Buddy ... Seriously .... How old are you ?

APO - 12-5-2013 at 01:19

Sorry, my camera went apeshit. So it took a while.

Oh, and Motherload, buddy... I'm 13

EDIT: After I taped it, I got nervous and deleted it, sorry.

[Edited on 12-5-2013 by APO]

APO - 12-5-2013 at 02:46

I think Finnicus watched it before it was gone though.

Finnnicus - 12-5-2013 at 03:04

I did... :cool:

GOML

Finnnicus - 12-5-2013 at 03:19

And... I actually have to say I'm impressed. With some interesting subjects, your channel could be, veeeery nice.

APO - 12-5-2013 at 13:22

Thanks, I think I'll remake it when I'm not so tired.

Trotsky - 12-5-2013 at 15:10

Wikipedia says small amounts of trinitramide have been made and detected in 2010.

APP time travel? That might be a better use of your excessive talents

caterpillar - 12-5-2013 at 18:21

Wikipedia says small amounts of trinitramide have been made and detected in 2010.

APP time travel? That might be a better use of your excessive talents

May be, I cannot say that I know all last achievements. To APO: what about large carbon crystals? The raw material cost nothing at all.

APO - 12-5-2013 at 20:05

No thanks, I'm going to make Ammonium Nitrobenzoate.

caterpillar - 13-5-2013 at 03:20

What is this? Nitrobenzene is no acid and therefore has no salts. May be, you mean ammonium salt of nitrobenzoic acid? For what purpose? Try to make nitrourea- its preparation is very simple and this compound is more powerful than even TNT. Nice for beginners.

Hockeydemon - 13-5-2013 at 03:47

Quote: Originally posted by caterpillar

What is this? Nitrobenzene is no acid and therefore has no salts. May be, you mean ammonium salt of nitrobenzoic acid? For what purpose? Try to make nitrourea- its preparation is very simple and this compound is more powerful than even TNT. Nice for beginners.

Now that I'm curious

. I can make nitrourea by reacting nitric acid with urea, and then dehydrating the urea nitrate? I've been looking for something to do with my urea other than stuff like cyanide..

APO - 13-5-2013 at 12:43

Yes caterpillar, I mean the Ammonium salt of Nitrobenzoic Acid. I already have 30% Ammonium Hydroxide solution and 500 grams of 99% 4-Nitrobenzoic Acid, which when reacted produce Ammonium 4-Nitrobenzoate Dihydrate. I think it may make a good fuel judging by how reactive it is. Maybe I'll mix it with stoichiometric quantities of Ammonium Nitrate and detonate it.

APO - 13-5-2013 at 13:46

I am editing the new lab tour video as we speak...

caterpillar - 13-5-2013 at 14:24

As for me, nitrobenzoic acid is useless stuff. Make urea nitrate, dry it and then put in small portions in cold sulfur acid. There are topics on it.

APO - 13-5-2013 at 14:33

I'm not too interested in making Nitrourea.

caterpillar - 13-5-2013 at 19:46

Quote: Originally posted by Hockeydemon

Now that I'm curious

. I can make nitrourea by reacting nitric acid with urea, and then dehydrating the urea nitrate? I've been looking for something to do with my urea other than stuff like cyanide..

Correct. There are two approaches- to dissolve urea in sulfur acid and slowly add nitric acid or ammonium nitrate, keeping mixture below zero, or to prepare urea nitrate and dehydrate it (dry salt put in small portions in cool conc sulfur acid). Then pour mixture into water with crushed ice and so on. Nitrourea can be used itself or as a start point for another explosives (salts of dinitrourea, keto-RDX and so on).

APO - 14-5-2013 at 06:26

Here's my lab tour:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPBep_rOuJE

It will be deleted one month from 5/13/13 for personal reasons.

Hockeydemon - 14-5-2013 at 07:09

Here's my lab tour:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPBep_rOuJE

It will be deleted one month from 5/13/13 for personal reasons.

I'm admittedly impressed, but now also more concerned haha. You're miles ahead of other kids your age already. Try to be safe, and stop concerning yourself with outside validation. That is probably going to be your downfall for awhile.

Good luck

APO - 14-5-2013 at 13:39

Don't be concerned, I check with this forum all the time to validate sources I have to be extra sure of the procedures I plan to use, that coupled with a respirator/face shield and gloves, I should do fine.

chemcam - 14-5-2013 at 14:15

Don't be concerned, I check with this forum all the time to validate sources I have to be extra sure of the procedures I plan to use, that coupled with a respirator/face shield and gloves, I should do fine.

Saying you "should" do fine leaves doubt in my mind. There can be absolutely no doubt or hesitation when working with energetics.

Another thing you should be worried about is having reagents of unknown quality for use in high energy materials. This is why I refrain from buying chemicals from eBay or basically anywhere online besides a genuine chemical supplier because the seller can say 99.9% pure but there is no proof, no certification. Certain impurities could cause a runaway or premature explosion.

Online reagents should only be used for basic experiments, not super dangerous compounds. If high purity chemicals are unavailable to you, energetic compounds should be forgotten for now.

APO - 14-5-2013 at 16:14

I have run redox titrations on most of them and all have shown to be at or above stated purity for the ones I've tested. Additionally I buy from very trusted sellers, although my so called anhydrous copper nitrate is most likely the hydrate.

APO - 14-5-2013 at 16:16

Also that's part of the reason the video will be deleted in one month from 5/13/13 since I left out my titration results.

chemcam - 14-5-2013 at 16:39

Well geez kid with your brain you should get into pharmaceuticals instead of explosives and make a discovery or something.

Motherload - 14-5-2013 at 19:01

APO, you should ... If possible move all that to a garage or something..
A very high fire hazard/potential

Also ... From what I could tell .... It seemed like dry powder .... Red P should be stored under water.

Lithium powder is almost gauranteed to be pyrophoric. Not a good idea.
Even ball milling Al without letting air get in .... Makes it pyrophoric.

Your "Anhydrous" Cu(NO3)2 is blue like the Sulfate suggesting strongly its a Hydrate.

Also I am a bit unsure that your Sr(NO3)2 is anhydrous. Check it..
If it isn't ... You won't get fuming HNO3 (95%+) but would still be high %.

[Edited on 15-5-2013 by Motherload]

APO - 14-5-2013 at 19:44

I live in an apartment, so I don't have a garage or shed so I make sure that no ignition sources are present within twenty feet of my room. Also when I make Lithium powder, I will handle it in an inert atmosphere glove box, I've never heard of pyrophoric Aluminium powder though. I'm very sure my Strontium Nitrate is anhydrous since it was stated to be in the first place, it arrived vacuum sealed, the solubility tests I have performed fit the profile for Anhydrous Strontium Nitrate, and additionally when I felt a clump of the stuff it was extremely hard and incredibly dry, which indicates a cubic structure that is unique to the anhydrous form and that it was pulling away moisture from my skin since Anhydrous Strontium Nitrate is a strong desiccant. Also I will test my Copper Nitrate for hydration soon and my Red Phosphorus is away from any UV light, and stored under Carbon Dioxide so I don't think there is a risk of preignition.

Hockeydemon - 14-5-2013 at 20:10

You should change APO's 'hazard to others' to 'hazard to entire apartment complex' haha. I would flip out if I knew you were in the same apartment building as me, and I'm pretty easy going when it comes to that kind of thing. I don't mean that in a mean way or anything - you just inevitably are a kid with many hazardous things in your possession.

I'm am quite curious how you paid for all your stuff though. I initially thought your parents were probably well off, and paid for the stuff if you did chores or some other similar thing.

chemcam - 14-5-2013 at 20:23

I can't believe that you sleep in your room the chemicals, what if there was an earthquake while you were asleep and all your chemicals broke open on the floor and mixed. If you're in an apartment don't they get visual inspections every few months? How would your parents explain all the dangerous chems in their child's room. Its not you that would get in trouble its your parents.

APO - 14-5-2013 at 21:13

I live far away from any sort of fault line, so an earthquake is like a dooms day thing for us, additionally I've considered my chemicals falling off the cabinet and breaking which is why they're to the back of the bottom shelf. Also when my sister was picked up for court by the police, I had some Nitromethane out (with a clear label showing) and no questions were asked when the entered my room. In the US apartments aren't searched unless criminal activity is suspected, ya know, probable cause.

Trotsky - 14-5-2013 at 22:01

Chemcam- the worst part of hno3 on the skin is the itch, immune to all scratching.

Itching is what is done to you, scratching is the remedy to the offense

chemcam - 14-5-2013 at 22:12

TROTSKY,

Chemcam- the worst part of hno3 on the skin is the itch, immune to all scratching.

Itching is what is done to you, scratching is the remedy to the offense

Grammar Nazi! Itch can be a noun or a verb depending on the context. Although, it is not the standard/proper way, it's not incorrect. I can assure you me's English's gooder then you's thinks's

By the way, what is hno3? I only know of HNO3. Haha

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APO,