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"Nascent Iodine" "Atomidine"

bmays - 20-10-2013 at 20:10

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Nascent iodine is formed when the iodine molecule is broken down to produce charged iodine atoms.

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Nascent Iodine is a complete atom, no extra electrons, none missing.

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Nascent Iodine is a scientific term for iodine where the iodine molecule has the diatomic bond broken and has a high amount of electromagnetic energy associated with it. During the 2 to 3 hour of activation time (within the human body, once diluted in water and consumed) the nascent iodine atom has the ability to be of assistance to the body. This form of iodine is produced by subjection of a 2 % tincture of iodine to a high electro magnetic field for a given time in order to produce the nascent iodine state. This atomic state and electromagnetic charge is held by the atom until diluted in water and consumed. Once diluted and inside the body this atom is readily absorbed and utilized by the body. This charged atom of iodine starts a process where it gradually loses its energy over 2 to 3 hours. During this time the body recognizes this atom as the same nascent iodine it produces in the thyroid in order to make the T3 and T4 hormones.


http://www.google.com/patents/US20090022816
http://www.google.fm/patents/US6482309


Is this all pseudoscience? From what i can tell it is a 1% sol. of I2? made "special" in an electrolytic cell. I am more interested in the existence of this special kind of iodine, the health benefits are always debatable. What happens to iodine in an electrolytic cell? I am assuming the diatomic I2 is supposed to change to I- ions? Must be a triiodide sol, but they say it more then that...

[Edited on 21-10-2013 by bmays]

elementcollector1 - 20-10-2013 at 20:45

The diatomic I2 bonds to the I- ions already present to form the I3- ion.
'Nascent' or monoatomic iodine does seem to exist, but I believe it only does so at high temperatures.

woelen - 20-10-2013 at 23:17

Monoatomic iodine does not exist as a compound in macroscopic quantities under normal conditions. It may exist in certain reaction mechanisms as an intermediate/transient species, but in such conditions it only exists for a very short time, i.e. microseconds or even nano- or picoseconds at most.

In the vapor state at very high temperatures, iodine molecules break down to iodine atoms, but as soon as the vapor cools down again to less than 1000 C or so, these atoms recombine to molecules I2 again.

deltaH - 20-10-2013 at 23:38

This is classic pseudo science: "electromagnetic charge is held by the atom"?!, "same nascent iodine it produces in the thyroid"?! and and and...

Endimion17 - 21-10-2013 at 01:54

Complete hogwash. Nothing new in the world of patents. Just because something has a patent doesn't mean it actually works - sad truth about patents.

Organikum - 21-10-2013 at 02:13

One seems to be able to patent everything in the USA.

My favorites are still Apple with the patent on a slab with rounded corners and the pyruvic acid from sodium pyruvate for production of the acid. We found an astonishing simple way they write. Great.

btw. is the australian patent on the wheel still valid?

Morgan - 21-10-2013 at 06:20

Ionized iodine Investigation
http://www.ntis.gov/search/product.aspx?ABBR=ADA577249

medicine - 3-11-2014 at 06:57

There are some journal articles, albeit very old ones, that speak of nascent iodine treatments, which would indicate that it is not just a transient substance. Even if the substance was eventually determined to be incorrectly labeled, these articles at least indicate that the concept being promoted is not completely and utterly made up.


THE NASCENT IODINE TREATMENT OF LUPUS NASI
P. W. Bedford
British Medical Journal - BMJ , vol. 1, no. 2728, pp. 767-767, 1913

TREATMENT OF SUPERFICIAL SEPTIC INFECTIONS BY NASCENT IODINE
W WALLER
Lancet , vol. 217, no. 5604, 1931

A NEW METHOD OF TREATING SUPPURATIVE DISEASE OF THE NASAL SINUSES BY THE USE OF WARM MEDICATED VAPOR CONTAINING NASCENT IODIN
WALTER A. WELLS
Laryngoscope , vol. 42, no. 10, 1932

The treatment of phthisis by the administration of intensive nascent iodine
E REEVE
British Journal of Tuberculosis , vol. 7, no. 4, pp. 229-231, 1913

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unionised - 3-11-2014 at 14:02

Well, as far as I can tell from what i can see of those papers on-line (without paying) They are talking of "nascent iodine" formed by dosing the patient with an iodide - say a solution of sodium iodide. And then they locally apply an oxidant- say chlorine water or hydrogen peroxide to the affected area to produce iodine in situ.
The first of those papers is the easiest to access and they are cynical of the effect of the procedure.
they accept that there was a cure- but the attribute it to the irritant effect of the hydrogen peroxide- rather than any effect from iodine.

Perhaps the most telling fact is that all those papers are old.
If the technique actually worked, it would still be in use.

Also, one of the papers does mention the problem of iodine toxicity (referred to as "iodism".)

Frankly it look slike snake oil to me.

blogfast25 - 3-11-2014 at 14:46

Quote: Originally posted by unionised  
Frankly it look slike snake oil to me.



Very old snake oil. So old it's gone off.

aga - 3-11-2014 at 15:51

Er, The Wheel was my idea, and Yea, the Patent is still valid.

If anyone owns an Illegal Wheel then you must register it at www.wheel.com and pay the relevant fee via my paypal account.

Please do so before Christmas as the Fine for unregistered wheel use increases in 2015.

medicine - 3-11-2014 at 22:26

Quote: Originally posted by unionised  
Well, as far as I can tell from what i can see of those papers on-line (without paying)


They're actually all available on http://libgen.org (with the exception of the first one, which, as you conveyed, is available for free on PubMed)

Here are the downloads for the other three: (2) (3) (4)

unionised - 4-11-2014 at 11:44

Thanks for that, but it hasn't changed my opinion.