Sciencemadness Discussion Board - Question on a compound's atomic structure

Question on a compound's atomic structure

Velzee - 1-3-2016 at 13:59

This is a rather odd request, but I was wondering if there was a chemical which has a similar structure to the radiation hazard symbol (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hazard_symbol#/media/File:Radi...). The closest I've found so far is that of chromium(VI) peroxide(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromium(VI)_oxide_peroxide#/media/File:CrO5-2D.png).

This was just a random question that popped into my head as I began to read the Wikipedia page of CrO5. Thank you all in advance!

[Edited on 3/1/2016 by Velzee]

crystal grower - 1-3-2016 at 14:40

Weird question

, maybe TATP?
http://www.123rf.com/photo_19617722_acetone-peroxide-triacet...

[Edited on 1-3-2016 by crystal grower]

Velzee - 1-3-2016 at 15:51

Quote: Originally posted by crystal grower

Weird question

, maybe TATP?
http://www.123rf.com/photo_19617722_acetone-peroxide-triacet...

[Edited on 1-3-2016 by crystal grower]

Eh, not quite what I'm looking for xP

aga - 1-3-2016 at 15:54

What exactly were you looking for, apart from what you have already had ?

Velzee - 1-3-2016 at 16:42

Quote: Originally posted by aga

What exactly were you looking for, apart from what you have already had ?

A chromium compound with six oxygen atoms attached to it, in the shape of the radiation symbol, or something similar. Again, I'm only basing this off aesthetics.

P.S. Long time, no see, aga! I missed your presence around here!

j_sum1 - 1-3-2016 at 16:52

Quote: Originally posted by Velzee

A chromium compound with six oxygen atoms attached to it

Easy enough to draw. But there is no guarantee that such an arrangement would be stable. And if it was, no guarantee that it would be planar. I can see the O-O-Cr triangles rotating 90°.

Edit
That is what chemsketch does with it anyway...
CrO6.gif - 7kB

Replacing the Cr with a lanthanide in 6+ oxidation state might fare better.

[Edited on 2-3-2016 by j_sum1]

blogfast25 - 1-3-2016 at 17:24

Quote: Originally posted by j_sum1

Replacing the Cr with a lanthanide in 6+ oxidation state might fare better.

Huh?

j_sum1 - 1-3-2016 at 22:41

Quote: Originally posted by blogfast25

Huh?

Yeah. I dunno what I was thinking really. Well, yes I do, but it fails on all counts.

For a start the highest common oxidation state in the lanthanides is Tb(IV). I forgot that.
Might have better success with an actinide but... well, there are more issues.

I was thinking that a higher coordination number afforded by an f block element would give a couple of electron clouds that might push the oxygen back into a plane. But there are so many problems with that geometry that it failfails.

Let's just call it a spontaneous brain fart and leave it at that.

[Edited on 2-3-2016 by j_sum1]

Mabus - 3-3-2016 at 10:05

Maybe some crown ether coordinating a metallic ion, like this one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crown_ether#/media/File:18-cro...

aga - 3-3-2016 at 12:29

1,3,5-trichlorobenzene ?

I just drew it in chemsketch and pressed ctrl-I to get that name - no idea if it does/can exist

noname01.gif - 2kB

blogfast25 - 3-3-2016 at 12:31

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1,3,5-Trichlorobenzene

Velzee - 3-3-2016 at 13:31

You see how the bonds of the oxygenated on the CrO5 create triangles similar to the radiation hazard symbol? That's more of what I'm looking for.

PHILOU Zrealone - 3-3-2016 at 14:44

Propellane comes to mind.
But also left and right propeller blade you get from complexing hexacoordinating Metalic core with bidentate ligands...like
Ruthenium (III) Tris-PHEHAT...related to figures 43 in the following link http://www.mdpi.com/1420-3049/19/4/5028/htm

See also Ru tris-bipy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tris(bipyridine)ruthenium(II)_chloride
http://www.isu.edu/chem/people/faculty/strodenn/

[Edited on 4-3-2016 by PHILOU Zrealone]

Theoretic - 16-3-2016 at 00:35

Guanidinium?

Or it's identically-shaped, neutral, theoretical, boron equivalent triaminoborane, a weird molecule
with negative hyperconjugation (B-N bond length increases in order BH₂NH₂ => BH(NH₂)₂ => B(NH₂)₃)

Or the real, isolated B[N(SCF₃)₂]₃

chemrox - 16-3-2016 at 11:20

Surely you meant to say, "molecular structure"