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The wiki says its made from HCN, wouldnt it be better to produce the sodium cyanide directly from that?
HCN + NaOH --> NaCN + H2O

I don't know about you but I would rather not work with HCN lol.

bluamine - 21-5-2016 at 07:32

NurdRage has a video on this on youtube.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xz7i11XC9wk

But seriously, this is some crazy ass lethal shit.

I have already watched it, & i don't have acces to cyanuric acid..

bluamine - 21-5-2016 at 07:34

The wiki says its made from HCN, wouldnt it be better to produce the sodium cyanide directly from that?
HCN + NaOH --> NaCN + H2O

It sounds you talk as if hydrogen cyanide was available in harstores or so

Jstuyfzand - 21-5-2016 at 07:42

I mean that you said you want to produce your own Ferrocyanide, to make this, you need HCN, so I assume you have acces to it?

Orenousername - 21-5-2016 at 17:17

NurdRage has a video on this on youtube.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xz7i11XC9wk

But seriously, this is some crazy ass lethal shit.

I have already watched it, & i don't have acces to cyanuric acid..

If you have access to TCCA you can make cyanuric acid + Cl2 by reacting TCCA with HCl. This is usually used to generate chlorine but you can use it to obtain cyanuric acid too.

bluamine - 22-5-2016 at 03:10

If you have access to TCCA you can make cyanuric acid + Cl2 by reacting TCCA with HCl. This is usually used to generate chlorine but you can use it to obtain cyanuric acid too.

Well i think it is hard for me to obtain TTCA since it is used for swimming pools

bluamine - 22-5-2016 at 14:34

I just found something on Google books about making sodium cyanide from sodium cyanamide.. But we can't obtain this last from calcium cyanamide by metathesis!! since calcium cyanamide reacts with water

[Edited on 22-5-2016 by bluamine]

[Edited on 22-5-2016 by bluamine]

bluamine - 22-5-2016 at 14:38

I think i need to produce sodium cyanate then reducing it to sodium cyanide .. What do you think brothers in science?

[Edited on 22-5-2016 by bluamine]

bluamine - 22-5-2016 at 14:59

By the way i found this useful topic
http://www.sciencemadness.org/talk/viewthread.php?tid=65444#...

Orenousername - 23-5-2016 at 01:17

If you have access to TCCA you can make cyanuric acid + Cl2 by reacting TCCA with HCl. This is usually used to generate chlorine but you can use it to obtain cyanuric acid too.

Well i think it is hard for me to obtain TTCA since it is used for swimming pools

Why would it be difficult for you to obtain TCCA? NurdRage's route is the one I would choose because it is fairy simple and he reports good yields. ChemPlayer's is a bit iffy because of possible contaminants, but NurdRage's has contaminants as well..

Where are you located? If you don't mind

ELRIC - 23-5-2016 at 03:01

This has to be a typo. I can't imagine not being able to find TCCA

bluamine - 23-5-2016 at 12:33

If you have access to TCCA you can make cyanuric acid + Cl2 by reacting TCCA with HCl. This is usually used to generate chlorine but you can use it to obtain cyanuric acid too.

Well i think it is hard for me to obtain TTCA since it is used for swimming pools

I meant i don't know any supplier for such products i think some of them exist though but anyway i have to search hard beofre finding one of them

& even if i found one i may find only some other disinfectant products such as calcium hypochlorite..
I find the both processes are similar since they are based on reduction of cyanate..

Orenousername - 23-5-2016 at 12:41

TCCA can be found at your local hardware store..

Trevor9424 - 23-5-2016 at 14:04

The wiki says its made from HCN, wouldnt it be better to produce the sodium cyanide directly from that?
HCN + NaOH --> NaCN + H2O

It sounds you talk as if hydrogen cyanide was available in harstores or so

Couldn't you obtain HCN by adding an acid, such as hydrochloric acid, to the sodium ferrocyanide and then heating it? You could use a filtering flask and tubing to bubble it into sodium hydroxide solution after stopping off the top of the flask. (Please correct me if I'm wrong)

Orenousername - 23-5-2016 at 16:18

That sounds feasible but I would use sulfuric acid to get higher reaction temperatures, the cyanide groups are bound pretty strongly to the Fe

bluamine - 23-5-2016 at 16:19

Quote: Originally posted by Trevor9424

The wiki says its made from HCN, wouldnt it be better to produce the sodium cyanide directly from that?
HCN + NaOH --> NaCN + H2O

It sounds you talk as if hydrogen cyanide was available in harstores or so

I didn't obtain ferrocyanide yet, & i think hydrochloric acid wouldn't work.. Anyway it sounds you plan to kill me

HCN is so dangerous & a normal mask gas filter (with only activated charcoal) can do nothing to prevent a toxication in that case..

bluamine - 23-5-2016 at 16:21

TCCA can be found at your local hardware store..

I will see.. but do yo know any other uses for it (rather than its use in swimming pools)?

Trevor9424 - 23-5-2016 at 18:25

Quote: Originally posted by Trevor9424

The wiki says its made from HCN, wouldnt it be better to produce the sodium cyanide directly from that?
HCN + NaOH --> NaCN + H2O

It sounds you talk as if hydrogen cyanide was available in harstores or so

I didn't obtain ferrocyanide yet, & i think hydrochloric acid wouldn't work.. Anyway it sounds you plan to kill me

HCN is so dangerous & a normal mask gas filter (with only activated charcoal) can do nothing to prevent a toxication in that case..

Totally didn't mean to make it sound that way

. But perhaps you could use a series of pipes/tubings and containers containing substances that neutralize HCN to ensure that any unreacted HCN will be used up before it can get out into the open air? So to set this up, have a container containing the sodium ferrocyanide have an addition funnel containing a choice acid attached to it. Then the reaction container can be attached to another with NaOH solution to be bubbled into. Then another container can be connected to as a HCN trap to neutralize any unreacted HCN and can contain more NaOH solution or another chemical that reacts with HCN to neutralize it or at least make it less dangerous. This may be too expensive, depending on what chemicals and labware you use so perhaps using HCN to make NaCN isn't the way to go...

Orenousername - 24-5-2016 at 00:48

TCCA can be found at your local hardware store..

I will see.. but do yo know any other uses for it (rather than its use in swimming pools)?

Making cyanide salts

[Edited on 5-24-2016 by Orenousername]

bluamine - 24-5-2016 at 05:09

TCCA can be found at your local hardware store..

I will see.. but do yo know any other uses for it (rather than its use in swimming pools)?

Making cyanide salts

[Edited on 5-24-2016 by Orenousername]

I have a better idea: i will tell them i want to kill someone instead

Fegie - 25-5-2016 at 09:04