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Is it possible to "undo" the ferric/phenolate complex?

Tacho - 15-3-2007 at 04:02

Adding ferric chloride to phenols usually creates a precipitate.
Is there a simple way to "undo" the ferric/phenolate complex? It would be a nice way to purify phenols, or even separate different phenols.

jtkelectroman - 15-3-2007 at 15:15

you should be able to distill it

Tacho - 19-3-2007 at 03:36

Thanks jtkelectronan, I'll try that.

chemoleo - 19-3-2007 at 15:54

How about adding NaOH, filtering the FeOH2 (squeeze hard, or boil to form denser forms) and keep the soluble Na-phenolate?

Tacho - 20-3-2007 at 03:27

Quote:
Originally posted by chemoleo
How about adding NaOH, filtering the FeOH2 (squeeze hard, or boil to form denser forms) and keep the soluble Na-phenolate?


Also a good idea...
Humm, maybe the precipitate I got in previous experiments with phenolates had a lot of FeOH2 in them since I added NaOH (carelessly) to phenols to obtain the phenolate. Maybe the phenol/ferric complex does not usually precipitate like I thought. Separation may not be so simple without a chromatography column.

Ozone - 20-3-2007 at 12:28

Try adding a solution of EDTA, and wait a while. The colored complex should disappear. Then distill (or extract) the phenol out (it distills with water). Good luck getting your phenol from the water, though.

Cheers,

O3