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Help! IP ban?

XeonTheMGPony - 14-4-2018 at 04:17

Hello, I messaged J_sum via U2U but will post here as well:

I accidentally tried to upload over 8megs of images (Came out to 12 megs rounded up)(I never imagined it'd be that big!) Now I can no longer log in with my native IP address, I must use a proxy.

I think I may have triggered a server side ip block as I get 403 forbidden by Apache and the same forbidden error from Ubuntu on a grey screen back ground

This was last night after trying to post to the "Tour my lab" thread, at the time I was downloading a torrent (Not sure if that may have effected things.

Please help me sciencemadness admins you're literally my only hope!

woelen - 14-4-2018 at 09:56

Hmmm, this is weird. There is no new IP-ban added or registered. There must be wrong something else.
I myself also have an issue. I cannot reply U2U, I get a message that the request could not be fulfilled. It seems like there is something wrong with the forumsoftware.

@Polverone: Did something change in the software deployment recently?

XeonTheMGPony - 14-4-2018 at 11:04

I was noticing weird delays when I was trying to upload pdfs to the energetic's forum too the day befor (Hence my low blood sugar induced freak out during it!)

Still having to use proxy to get in.



[Edited on 14-4-2018 by XeonTheMGPony]

Bert - 14-4-2018 at 11:10

Nope, not seeing any new ip bans, nor your sign up ip on the list. If you have changed to a different ip, or are perhaps using a mobile device? Could you message me with the actual ip you can't use, if different than that wbich you signed up from:

207.204.219.125

XeonTheMGPony - 14-4-2018 at 12:01

207.204.219.31 at current



verboten.jpg - 37kB

aga - 14-4-2018 at 13:10

Try logging in

XeonTheMGPony - 14-4-2018 at 13:12

With out using proxy I can't even get to the page at all, look at picture, that is all I get. atm using proxy to type in this thread. Second I switch off the proxy VERBOTEN!!

aga - 14-4-2018 at 13:18

Oh.

So apache is configured to reject your IP on the SM server.

Just use the proxy - problem solved.

Clearly you already have a proxy service set up for some reason - i do not, and never have had a problem.

XeonTheMGPony - 14-4-2018 at 13:24

this IS the reason I set up a proxy to fix it, and proxies SUCK, as it is slow as hell

aga - 14-4-2018 at 13:32

Log out, delete cookies, log in again.

The server machine does not like you for some reason.

Might not be just the IP address.

XeonTheMGPony - 14-4-2018 at 13:35

All ready tried all the standard things

aga - 14-4-2018 at 13:45

U2U Polverone.

It's a server thing, not a board software thing.

Edit:

If it is IP related, and you are not paying for a static IP, just switch off/on your internet router.

It is rare that a large ISP's DHCP server honours a requested-ip request.

More Edit:

That means you will get a different IP address if you switch off/on the internet router.

"The Internet router" is what i call the box that the service provider gives you.

Saves explaining how it all works before someone pulls the plug then puts it back in again.

As a side note, the only reason this works is because the programming of that box is utter Shit.

Programmers these days have almost No clue what the underlying machine consists of, and less of a clue about the Bytes their crap occupies.

For this reason they are very sloppy, and you, the purchaser, aid them by accepting you have to switch off/on sometimes.

Other systems, like a commercial airplanes system, this is not tolerated as much.

[Edited on 14-4-2018 by aga]

XeonTheMGPony - 14-4-2018 at 15:39

I do networking, I am very familiar with all of that, I have don all of that, it is not on my end, this I am quite certain of.

Thanks for trying though

Correction I did do networking, frankly I'll take NT4.0 over any of the newer crap, may been a migraine inducing head ache pain in the arse to configure but once it was it simply worked and didn't assume 8million things to make the job harder!!! /end rant] and Win2K pro is still my favorite os, second only to 7pro, 10 needs to be killed with fire and the ones who approved it flogged 100 times in town square!

As to modern programmers, as CPU horse power got more powerful they could get lazier with code, as the cpu speed can just muddle through the garbage vs a well stream lined code that was well designed!

[Edited on 14-4-2018 by XeonTheMGPony]

[Edited on 14-4-2018 by XeonTheMGPony]

XeonTheMGPony - 16-4-2018 at 03:41

YAY It's fixed! no more crappy proxy! TY

j_sum1 - 16-4-2018 at 04:11

Glad to hear it.
What was the actual problem? Did you figure it out?

XeonTheMGPony - 16-4-2018 at 04:48

Nope, I did the works on my end: DNS flush, reset cookies, cleared cash, power cycled router and modem, cleared ip tables from router, emptied temp folders.

Nothing did it, I must have triggered some sort of protection subsystem on the server when I accidentally tried to post 10megs worth of photo's in the lab tour thread (They are there now in split posting!)

So either it reset and removed the block, or one of the webmasters reset it. Either way I am grateful

But would my self love to know exactly what happened as to avoid it in the future! and happy to not having to use a proxy!

PhenethylamineMachine - 16-4-2018 at 05:30

Quote: Originally posted by XeonTheMGPony  
YAY It's fixed! no more crappy proxy! TY


Just out of curiosity, what was the issue with using the proxy?

XeonTheMGPony - 16-4-2018 at 09:09

Slow, when ever you add more routers to a mix you lose speed and reliability, I just rather have the least number of routing to my target as possible..

woelen - 16-4-2018 at 23:27

There has been no action from an administrator. Apparently you triggered some safety guard, which locked you out for a few days and then released the lock again.
I think that the best thing you can do to avoid future lock outs is limiting upload sizes of images and documents. An upper limit of 2 MByte per image or document seems reasonable to me.

XeonTheMGPony - 17-4-2018 at 04:16

indeed it was negligence on my part, assumption the mother of all Fup's! I assumed there be no way all the pics could have been that big, and noticed after sending they where!

So will certainly be more careful next time! I split the lab tour pic set to 2 posts and it uploaded with out issue.

I'm just thankful some one programed it to be a temporary lock!

PhenethylamineMachine - 17-4-2018 at 07:52

Quote: Originally posted by XeonTheMGPony  
Slow, when ever you add more routers to a mix you lose speed and reliability, I just rather have the least number of routing to my target as possible..


Makes sense.

I apologize, when it comes to technology I am only semi-knowledgeable. I even do the majority of my chemistry work with a pen and notebook rather than typing out my notes. ( though protein-ligand docking programs are amazing!)

Its not that I don't want to learn, it's just that I use technology so little in my daily life.

Any way:

is a proxy doing the same thing as a tor browser? I mean, are they serving the same purpose?

I'm sorry, I don't mean to derail from the topic at hand, I am just very curious here, yet I don't think starting an entire thread would be justified.

Thanks.

RawWork - 17-4-2018 at 08:07

Yes, proxy, vpn, and tor are doing the same. Both are hiding you, giving you privacy and freedom. But both are slower and more difficult to use than direct (normal) connection. Proxy is the weakest, vpn is the best. I never used tor. While proxy works only in browser or app, vpn forwards all connection through proxy, almost at the hardware level. I only use them if can't access some website (not allowed in my ip or country) and if searching for shady things on public wifi hotspots. It's recommended to use vpn whenever you do something illegal, shady, odd, scary. Even isp is not to be trusted.

Some vpns will allow you to get FREE internet, aka get internet and do not give money to isp. Useful if you are poor, so can't pay internet. Also advantage over free wifi hotspots is that it can work in any location where there is 3G or 4G. GSM is too slow to even work for this.

Such vpns are:
http://your-freedom.net/ (this one give you same internet speed as normal internet which you would pay, my speed is 250 kB/s and already downloaded 1 TB in 6 months)
http://vpnoverdns.com/ (this one gives you speed 1 kB/s, probably they didn't know how to make software properly, i downloaded few GB using this tough)

PhenethylamineMachine - 17-4-2018 at 08:30

Quote: Originally posted by RawWork  
Yes, proxy, vpn, and tor are doing the same. Both are hiding you, giving you privacy and freedom. But both are slower and more difficult to use than direct (normal) connection. Proxy is the weakest, vpn is the best. I never used tor. While proxy works only in browser or app, vpn forwards all connection through proxy, almost at the hardware level. I only use them if can't access some website (not allowed in my ip or country) and if searching for shady things on public wifi hotspots. It's recommended to use vpn whenever you do something illegal, shady, odd, scary. Even isp is not to be trusted.

Some vpns will allow you to get FREE internet, aka get internet and do not give money to isp. Useful if you are poor, so can't pay internet. Also advantage over free wifi hotspots is that it can work in any location where there is 3G or 4G. GSM is too slow to even work for this.

Such vpns are:
http://your-freedom.net/ (this one give you same internet speed as normal internet which you would pay, my speed is 250 kB/s and already downloaded 1 TB in 6 months)
http://vpnoverdns.com/ (this one gives you speed 1 kB/s, probably they didn't know how to make software properly, i downloaded few GB using this tough)


Thank you!

This is exactly what I wanted to know.

Much appreciated, thank you again.


XeonTheMGPony - 17-4-2018 at 16:31

Quote: Originally posted by PhenethylamineMachine  
Quote: Originally posted by XeonTheMGPony  
Slow, when ever you add more routers to a mix you lose speed and reliability, I just rather have the least number of routing to my target as possible..


Makes sense.

I apologize, when it comes to technology I am only semi-knowledgeable. I even do the majority of my chemistry work with a pen and notebook rather than typing out my notes. ( though protein-ligand docking programs are amazing!)

Its not that I don't want to learn, it's just that I use technology so little in my daily life.

Any way:

is a proxy doing the same thing as a tor browser? I mean, are they serving the same purpose?

I'm sorry, I don't mean to derail from the topic at hand, I am just very curious here, yet I don't think starting an entire thread would be justified.

Thanks.


Yes and no, tor is a big chain of groups of proxies to make back tracing a head ache nightmare but not impossible.

Proxy is you send your info to a remote computer then ask that machine then to contact your target place, then the target replies to that remote machine and ask it to send the data to you.

So in human terms, lets say we have a mutual friend, so rather then talk to you directly I get the friend to relay it, and it comes along with all the mistakes!

PhenethylamineMachine - 18-4-2018 at 05:20

Quote: Originally posted by XeonTheMGPony  
Quote: Originally posted by PhenethylamineMachine  
Quote: Originally posted by XeonTheMGPony  
Slow, when ever you add more routers to a mix you lose speed and reliability, I just rather have the least number of routing to my target as possible..


Makes sense.

I apologize, when it comes to technology I am only semi-knowledgeable. I even do the majority of my chemistry work with a pen and notebook rather than typing out my notes. ( though protein-ligand docking programs are amazing!)

Its not that I don't want to learn, it's just that I use technology so little in my daily life.

Any way:

is a proxy doing the same thing as a tor browser? I mean, are they serving the same purpose?

I'm sorry, I don't mean to derail from the topic at hand, I am just very curious here, yet I don't think starting an entire thread would be justified.

Thanks.


Yes and no, tor is a big chain of groups of proxies to make back tracing a head ache nightmare but not impossible.

Proxy is you send your info to a remote computer then ask that machine then to contact your target place, then the target replies to that remote machine and ask it to send the data to you.

So in human terms, lets say we have a mutual friend, so rather then talk to you directly I get the friend to relay it, and it comes along with all the mistakes!


Thank you for clarifying. All of it helps.

Didn't tor have some issue with an NSA backdoor? Or there was a A zero-day exploit issue or something?

As I said, I don't know much about technology, I consider myself slightly above ignorant on the topic, I mean, I know some things that others might not, but it is very, very, little.

So with tor if someone wanted to backtrack a large number of IP's they would eventually identify you?

...and a proxy is more like an intermediary passing the information between your computer through their proxy, and the proxy outputs your information to everyone else as coming from a another location?

The details for the proxy apps describe the proxy providing protection, what type of protection are they talking about?



RawWork - 18-4-2018 at 06:02

Location aka ip. Maybe some other data like user agent and os too. But it's so weak and unstable. Depends on proxy.

Weakest is one you use on website such as https://www.proxysite.com/. See that one allows changing user agent and referer in settings. Most allow blocking js, images, and some "elements" (?). They say these elements do not go through proxy, so proxy is useless here. Also don't see point in user agent, you can change it without proxy.

Stronger one is that comes as extension for browser such as windscribe for chrome. It is for whole browser and nothing can pass directly in that browser.

Strongest is one that comes like app for pc, it is almost same as vpn, all apps including system probably use it.

There is something called web rtc that leaks even if you use proxy. So there are for example extensions for chrome and firefox and opera that disable rtc leaks. It's just one proof that proxy is worst (weakest).

Simply use proxy for quick small stuff. If you plan on using it every day and privacy is important, then vpn is better. I used windscribe. Gives you 10 GB per month + 5 GB if you tell about them on twitter.

But it's stupid to use vpn if you're gonna download huge files which you don't need to hide from anybody. Maybe best to use vpn for some browser as extension, which i actually consider proxy, such as windscribe. And use that browser for "dark things". And use another browser for normal things.

XeonTheMGPony - 18-4-2018 at 06:54

Simply put if you can get to a web site, they can find you, period, it only then comes down to motivation on their end. Proxy makes it a bit harder, Vpns even more difficult, tor huge head ache with lots of invested time.

So really it more about how much reason and motivation they have to find you. But VPN makes it so they can not see what the data is rather just where it is going.

PhenethylamineMachine - 19-4-2018 at 05:59

Quote: Originally posted by XeonTheMGPony  
Simply put if you can get to a web site, they can find you, period, it only then comes down to motivation on their end. Proxy makes it a bit harder, Vpns even more difficult, tor huge head ache with lots of invested time.

So really it more about how much reason and motivation they have to find you. But VPN makes it so they can not see what the data is rather just where it is going.


So what is a VPN protecting you from?

My VPN app has a little pop up that will say "x amount of information protected".

I don't care if sites can see me, I would be more worried about malicious hackers, viruses, malware, and things of that nature.

RawWork - 19-4-2018 at 06:42

They won't protect you from that. I wanted to download serial key for some program and i got virus. It quickly damaged all my 1 TB files so I had to redownload 1 TB. Not gonna trust that site again. Forgot what was it now. As for why, when, how, and what about vpn, just visit your vpn homepage. Such as https://windscribe.com. They may block some sites, ads, and trackers, whatever that means. Antivirus can only help for viruses. And even google chrome site blacklist doesn't include some websites i consider fake or full of viruses. So trust nobody.

PhenethylamineMachine - 20-4-2018 at 05:24

Quote: Originally posted by RawWork  
They won't protect you from that. I wanted to download serial key for some program and i got virus. It quickly damaged all my 1 TB files so I had to redownload 1 TB. Not gonna trust that site again. Forgot what was it now. As for why, when, how, and what about vpn, just visit your vpn homepage. Such as https://windscribe.com. They may block some sites, ads, and trackers, whatever that means. Antivirus can only help for viruses. And even google chrome site blacklist doesn't include some websites i consider fake or full of viruses. So trust nobody.


Hmmm...

Makes sense.

Again, thank you.

I have read the app information for my VPN, but I was still unclear on exactly how it was helping/protecting me aside from hiding my IP.

I don't see myself as completely incompetent with technology, I know a little, but I find it easier to understand when asking others about it, rather than reading product information.

If hackers gain access to my router I would have some issues, no? How can I protect that?

Will anti-virus software detect "remote accessing Trojans"?

Sorry, I don't want to be "spoon fed" this stuff, and I really have taken the time to briefly look into these things, it's just not entirely clear from the information that I have.

Thank you again.

XeonTheMGPony - 20-4-2018 at 06:54

Malwarebytes is my preferred protection, I have used a great many and they seem to be off to a good start.

Second is configuring every thing care fully, every set up is unique, all I can say is research it and it will take you 3 weeks be for it all operates smoothly.

I ran game servers and had tight rules and layers to keep un wanteds out, smooth wall 3.0 on a hard ware fire wall plus internal fire walls.

when it comes to this there is no simple answer, but a good start is block all ports by default, then open only the ones that are needed, then have a rule to block any "unusual" activity on those ports.

All ways scan any file you down load with at least 2 scanners, for me that is windows built in scanner and malware-bytes if from a questionable source. Stay far and away from porn sites as that's where allot of this stuff hides, much like STD's they depend on horny overriding critical thought!

This is a very big in depth field! FYI If you can get online, your ip isn't hidden ;)

WangleSpong5000 - 20-4-2018 at 19:00

Use a VPN. Use TOR. Update often. Scan often. Keep anti virus Shiz on always. Keep firewall set to a practical level. Dont dl dodgy shit. Delete Facebook. Avoid Google. Use DuckDuckGo instead. Never use gmail. Use proton mail or something.

Networks are so easy to hack. I can't do it... it's very easy for some...

PhenethylamineMachine - 23-4-2018 at 05:06

Quote: Originally posted by XeonTheMGPony  
Malwarebytes is my preferred protection, I have used a great many and they seem to be off to a good start.

Second is configuring every thing care fully, every set up is unique, all I can say is research it and it will take you 3 weeks be for it all operates smoothly.

I ran game servers and had tight rules and layers to keep un wanteds out, smooth wall 3.0 on a hard ware fire wall plus internal fire walls.

when it comes to this there is no simple answer, but a good start is block all ports by default, then open only the ones that are needed, then have a rule to block any "unusual" activity on those ports.

All ways scan any file you down load with at least 2 scanners, for me that is windows built in scanner and malware-bytes if from a questionable source. Stay far and away from porn sites as that's where allot of this stuff hides, much like STD's they depend on horny overriding critical thought!

This is a very big in depth field! FYI If you can get online, your ip isn't hidden ;)


Thank you tons!

I am doing all that I can to educate myself here, and I appreciate all the input and help.

Your post has been very informative.

It looks like I am going to have to buckle down and start doing some in depth research, as it appears that doing it any other way would be inadequate for my needs.

I want to be protected online, but unfortunately that means you have to keep up with threats and those behind them, it's exhausting, it would be like one of these tech guys having to synthesize 2,5-dimethoxy-3,4-methylenedioxy-alpha-methyl-phenethylamine with only a Wikipedia page as guidance...

Anyway, thank you tons.

PhenethylamineMachine - 23-4-2018 at 05:17

Quote: Originally posted by WangleSpong5000  
Use a VPN. Use TOR. Update often. Scan often. Keep anti virus Shiz on always. Keep firewall set to a practical level. Dont dl dodgy shit. Delete Facebook. Avoid Google. Use DuckDuckGo instead. Never use gmail. Use proton mail or something.

Networks are so easy to hack. I can't do it... it's very easy for some...


I use a VPN, I can't get tor on my device, at least I have not been able to get it to work so far, I use malware bytes and scan often.

I am worried about my router though...

I have never had a MySpace or Facebook, and I am still not even sure what Twitter even is, but I use google frequently.

I could not use Gmail, or Yahoo mail, or any of those "big" mail sites as they require a cell phone number for confirmation, and I do not own a cell phone, actually I have never had a cellphone or landline before, so I really can not get an email.

I use a tablet through a friends router.

...I have never owned a credit card, I have never had a bank account, I have never paid taxes or been formally employed, so even if I did get hacked all the hackers would get is my sciencemadness posts and my saved PubMed and NCBI research articles... ...but I still want to be as safe as possible.