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Creating diNitroMethanone from 1,1 diChlorAmino Methanone
Hello Guys, Do you think this will happen:
CL2N(CO)NCL2+
2BaO2>O2N(CO)NO2+2BaCL2 ?
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How about this one:
CL2N(CO)NCL2+2Na2O>
ON(CO)NO+4NaCL ?
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I would strongly advise against the synthesis of this particular molecule. I don't think you'd even get an isolable product.
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My final goal is not this molecule though. I would have asked in another question if diNitroMethanone could be oxidized by Potassium Chlorate to
create Carbon diOxide and Nitrogen diOxide.
3O2N(CO)NO2+KCLO3>3CO2+6NO2+KCL
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If you're looking to synthesize CO2 and NO2 there are much, much safer ways. You're basically using an explosive intermediate(!) to make an even more
explosive intermediate(!!!) as a synthetic route for two readily available gases.
May I ask what your goal here is?
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A guy wanted me to invent a method for synthesizing Nitrogen Oxide or diOxide from diAminoMethanone (Carbamide). I thought I could do
H2N(CO)NH2+4CL2>CL2N(CO)NCL2+4HCL and then think about further conversion to NO2 or NO. Do you mean diNitroMethanone is pri*mary ex*plo*sive ?
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If you're synthesizing nitro compounds from carbamide, I would make an effort to detach the amino groups from the carbonyl carbon prior to oxidation.
Hydrolysis reactions occur in urea, so consider a hydrolytic reaction to form ammonium. Should be fairly straightforward from there!
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If diNitroMethanone undergoes detonation upon being oxidized, how should it go, huh ? O2N(CO)NO2+O>CO2+N2+2O2 ?
Also NO2 is not readly available at all. Short wavelength or high voltage are required to create NO2 otherwise. If you know any reaction that breaks
N2 molecule other than alkali or alkali earth metals, please enlighten me! Furthermore you didn't said anything about diNitrosoMethanone, is it
pr*imary ex*plosive too ?
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Think of it like nitromethane, but worse. It would proceed through a similar reaction and more readily given the EWGs attached to the carbonyl carbon.
Breaking of N2 isn't the way to go about making NO2, really: Reduce nitric acid with copper metal and you get NO2 as an evolved byproduct.
If you're looking for synthesis of NO2 from NO, then oxidation with O2 is a common route.
If you're interested in NO synthesis, nitric acid and nitrous acids are usable precursors.
If you're insistent on using urea, nitration on the urea is NOT the way to go.
Edit: Dinitromethanone isn't really something I considered, since as I said it's not really an isolable product. I would expect it to be unpleasant to
work with at best. I wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot pole.
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Thanks Nakhimov, but I want to create NO2 either from N2 or H2N(CO)NH2, and not the other routes of which I am well aware of.
I don't believe it's impossible somehow and I'm willing to do algorithm even if it has 5 steps in it to achieve my goal.
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If you're fixated on those products, then metal catalysis is the way to go.
Here's a reference you could use for that: https://pure.tue.nl/ws/files/1911936/200210267.pdf
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Thank you very much Nakhimov!
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