Sciencemadness Discussion Board
Not logged in [Login ]
Go To Bottom

Printable Version  
Author: Subject: MeCN + H2SO4
xwinorb
Hazard to Others
***




Posts: 100
Registered: 9-8-2005
Member Is Offline

Mood: No Mood

[*] posted on 1-10-2009 at 13:01
MeCN + H2SO4


I have one question on acetonitrile : Does it react with sulfuric acid ? I used Google, could not find a conclusive answer.

If the answer is yes, could someone please post what the reaction produces.


One MSDS says acetonitrile is incompatible with H2SO4, but I think there are procedures that use them both. One example would be the Ritter reaction, right ? BTW, I am just mentioning the Ritter reaction here as a case example.

Also, I think H2SO4 + NaCN or KCN would generate HCN ( cyanide ), right ? What about MeCN + H2SO4 ?
View user's profile View All Posts By User
kclo4
National Hazard
****




Posts: 916
Registered: 11-12-2004
Location:
Member Is Offline

Mood: No Mood

[*] posted on 1-10-2009 at 13:34


H2SO4 I think would be able to cause hydrolysis leading to the amide and then to a carboxylic acid.
Probably pretty hard to get CN- out of it, but probably possible so I'd be careful.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitrile#Reactions_of_nitriles might be of interest to you if you haven't seen it, reviewed it recently.
View user's profile Visit user's homepage View All Posts By User
Nicodem
Super Moderator
*******




Posts: 4230
Registered: 28-12-2004
Member Is Offline

Mood: No Mood

[*] posted on 1-10-2009 at 23:11


Acetonitrile does react with H2SO4, because if you pour a stoichiometric 1:1 mixture into water you get acetamide rather than recover MeCN. It is hard to define what you obtain from the reaction of MeCN with H2SO4, because it is dynamic equilibrium of different electrophilic species rather than a solution of a definable compound.
In principle the reaction should be reversible, and if you would quench the mixture with pyridine instead of water, you should be able to recover unchanged acetonitrile, but I doubt anybody ever tried.

And no, no cleavage to cyanide occurs.

[Edited on 2/10/2009 by Nicodem]




…there is a human touch of the cultist “believer” in every theorist that he must struggle against as being unworthy of the scientist. Some of the greatest men of science have publicly repudiated a theory which earlier they hotly defended. In this lies their scientific temper, not in the scientific defense of the theory. - Weston La Barre (Ghost Dance, 1972)

Read the The ScienceMadness Guidelines!
View user's profile View All Posts By User
Formatik
National Hazard
****




Posts: 927
Registered: 25-3-2008
Member Is Offline

Mood: equilibrium

[*] posted on 2-10-2009 at 13:57


Alkalies, as well as aq. HCl or H2SO4 when heated with acetonitrile "soaponifies" it to acetic acid and ammonia. With fuming sulfuric acid (28% SO3), ice-salt cooled reaction with acetonitrile yields acetyl-acetamidine-N-sulfonic acid (CH3.C(:N.SO3H).NH.CO.CH3). With SO3 the compound (CH3.CN)3.2SO3 forms. (Ref.: Beilstein).
View user's profile View All Posts By User
unionised
International Hazard
*****




Posts: 5102
Registered: 1-11-2003
Location: UK
Member Is Offline

Mood: No Mood

[*] posted on 3-10-2009 at 10:14


The reaction of conc H2SO4 and ACN can be dangerously violent.
It produces a mixture of products- mainly the cyclic trimer.

[Edited on 3-10-09 by unionised]
View user's profile View All Posts By User
JohnWW
International Hazard
*****




Posts: 2849
Registered: 27-7-2004
Location: New Zealand
Member Is Offline

Mood: No Mood

[*] posted on 3-10-2009 at 20:45


CH3CN being an ester of a weak acid, its reaction with H2SO4 would certainly cause hydrolysis, with the evolution of HCN gas (very toxic) and probably formation of dimethyl sulfate (also toxic).

Depending on the concentration of acid and the temperature and pressure, there may also be other products. The formation of the aromatic trimer of CH3CN, 1,3,5-trimethyl-2,4,6-triazine, (which would not require H2SO4 except possibly as a catalyst), as well as that of HCN, 1,3,5-triazine, would be energetically favored, but would require high pressure to occur substantially.
View user's profile View All Posts By User
UnintentionalChaos
International Hazard
*****




Posts: 1454
Registered: 9-12-2006
Location: Mars
Member Is Offline

Mood: Nucleophilic

[*] posted on 3-10-2009 at 20:48


Quote: Originally posted by JohnWW  
CH3CN being an ester of a weak acid, its reaction with H2SO4 would certainly cause hydrolysis, with the evolution of HCN gas (very toxic) and probably formation of dimethyl sulfate (also toxic).

Depending on the concentration of acid and the temperature and pressure, there may also be other products. The formation of the aromatic trimer of CH3CN, 1,3,5-trimethyl-2,4,6-triazine, (which would not require H2SO4 except possibly as a catalyst), as well as that of HCN, 1,3,5-triazine, would be energetically favored, but would require high pressure to occur substantially.


It's not an ester any more than methyl bromide is an ester. There is no ester functionality; it's simply an alkyl nitrile. Cleavage in the way you describe would require cleaving of a carbon-carbon bond which is not one of H2SO4's specialties.




Department of Redundancy Department - Now with paperwork!

'In organic synthesis, we call decomposition products "crap", however this is not a IUPAC approved nomenclature.' -Nicodem
View user's profile View All Posts By User
panziandi
Hazard to Others
***




Posts: 490
Registered: 3-10-2006
Location: UK
Member Is Offline

Mood: Bored

[*] posted on 6-10-2009 at 08:59


Dilute sulphuric acid would hydrolyse the acetonitrile to acetamide and then to acetic acid and ammonium hydrogen sulphate, as shown below:

CH3CN + H2O =(H2SO4)=> CH3CONH2

CH3CONH2 + H2SO4 + H2O => CH3COOH + NH5SO4

Reaction with concentrated sulphuric acid will likely be a mixture of various reactions.

Strong acids (both Lewis acids and strong Brønsted acids) are able to attack nitriles forming ionic species, such as is seen in the Houben-Hoesch reaction. I do not know if suilphuric acid is strong enough to do this off the top of my head.




View user's profile Visit user's homepage View All Posts By User This user has MSN Messenger

  Go To Top