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Do we need a separtate forum for lab safety and waste treatment?
I think, due to some threads discussing about lab safety and waste treatment specifically, we need a separtate forum dedicate for these, maybe simply
"lab safety and waste treatment"?
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I'd like that, it is an important field of study for the home lab.
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I agree that it would be valuable.
Unrelated but I'm also somewhat surprised that we don't have an analytical chemistry subforum...
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surely it would be more useful than "computational models" :'D
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ditto
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fusso
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Especially when most of us dont know how to
code
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I think computational models was created because it does not fall easily into the categories already in existence. IOW, the decision is based on
definition not on volume.
Analytical methods does have some blurring with the existing forums: it might overlap into technochemistry if you are constructing something,
apperatus if you are looking to buy, repair or modify some equipment, OC if that is what you are analysing, or general chemistry if you are discussing
titration techniques (does anyone do that?) or tests for specific ions.
I can see a case for lumping all this together but I can also see how it might not aid finding stuff.
Most poeple I think access the board through the recent posts feature rather than browsing the individual forums. And if they are looking for
something then they search. So, the point might be moot. Beyond a basic categorisation I don't think the individual forums do much.
I do see a case for grouping together everything related to safety, waste, toxicity, disposal etc. Of course we have 15 years of historical threads
that would not move but that shouldn't be a problem. I will see what the other mods think and whether it would be beneficial on the whole.
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Ubya
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Most poeple I think access the board through the recent posts feature rather than browsing the individual forums. And if they are looking for
something then they search. So, the point might be moot. Beyond a basic categorisation I don't think the individual forums do much.
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you are right, most of us browse through "today's posts", but i think categorization is important. if i need something i use google or the website
search engine, but many times happened to me to find a topic i was interested in, and looking for something similiar in the corresponding subforum, it
makes things easier and more tidy (just a personal preference) and just more welcoming/user friendly to newer members (i used to scroll everyday each
subforum before finding out the "today's posts" button hahahaha)
topics about safety pop up quite frequently, putting everything together seems logical to me
we wait you with a response from the mods decision
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It's OK to me to add such a subforum. I would like to make it a broad forum, with a title like
"Responsible amateur chemistry: safety, storage, waste treatment".
Maybe we should move a number of threads to this forum. If someone is willing to investigate and find threads about this subject and post links to
this place, then I am willing to make the subforum and move the threads to the new forum. I have no time to do all investigations myself, but with a
concerted effort, we could make this possible.
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Exactly what I was thinking. Except I'd like a more snappy title.
Some collation of existing threads for the transition would be great. Maybe we could have an ongoing policy of submitting threads that need to be
moved.
Do we want the forum to also include threads like "Lide after detonation", wump incident, the recent one scared of retina damage after Mg ignition
etc.
What about "when chemistry goes wrong"?
What about "bad days in lab or with glassware"?
Then there are threads on cleaning glassware.
My thinking is that whatever we call it and whatever description we tag under the title, it must be pretty clear what is included and what us not.
Populating with existing threads will really set the tone.
There are probably some candidate threads for stickies straight away. And if not, it won't be hard to get some good titles to get them started.
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Perhaps, "Lab Housekeeping".
Responsible practice, safety, toxicity, hazard management and waste disposal.
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| Quote: Originally posted by j_sum1 | Perhaps, "Lab Housekeeping".
Responsible practice, safety, toxicity, hazard management and waste disposal. |
I think this is a really good idea. It would reflect well for the hobby I think.
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| Quote: Originally posted by j_sum1 | Exactly what I was thinking. Except I'd like a more snappy title.
Some collation of existing threads for the transition would be great. Maybe we could have an ongoing policy of submitting threads that need to be
moved.
Do we want the forum to also include threads like "Lide after detonation", wump incident, the recent one scared of retina damage after Mg ignition
etc.
What about "when chemistry goes wrong"?
What about "bad days in lab or with glassware"?
Then there are threads on cleaning glassware.
My thinking is that whatever we call it and whatever description we tag under the title, it must be pretty clear what is included and what us not.
Populating with existing threads will really set the tone.
There are probably some candidate threads for stickies straight away. And if not, it won't be hard to get some good titles to get them started.
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I'd duplicate those threads if possible, that way they remain in both to drive home the point that every thing carries the risk, and the price of
complacency / carelessness is very high one
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| Quote: Originally posted by j_sum1 | Perhaps, "Lab Housekeeping".
Responsible practice, safety, toxicity, hazard management and waste disposal. |
Life in the Lab
Responsible practice, safety, toxicity, hazard management and waste disposal.
After class I'll post here relevant topics I can find
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A bit unrelated, but I second DavidJR's idea on a separate analytical subforum! Sometimes I do classical titrations and although I don't find them
worth writing a report in Prebublication but I'd not mind if someone looked at what I did and corrected my errors or suggested a better approach.
Actually, I have a few analytical chem related questions but I don't want to post them into Beginnings - which is just a "drop here everything you
couldn't fit elsewhere" for me. 
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And I agree that having members voluntarily submit the threads when we discover them is good enough, no need to rush. But best to mention the
timeframe of the forum which they searched so others don't need to re-search the same timeframe a few times. I think a max of 2 times of scanning by 2
different members is enough to catch any missing threads.
Then I 3rd it!
BTW are these called forums or subforums? I'm not familiar with forum terminologies; sorry for this quite stupid question
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heavy metals waste 10-5-2019 https://www.sciencemadness.org/whisper/viewthread.php?tid=14...
whoosh bottle experiment 8-4-2019 https://www.sciencemadness.org/whisper/viewthread.php?tid=14...
hazardous chemicals 4-4-2019 https://www.sciencemadness.org/whisper/viewthread.php?tid=14...
chemical waste books 2-4-2019 https://www.sciencemadness.org/whisper/viewthread.php?tid=14...
mercury cleanup 30-3-2019 https://www.sciencemadness.org/whisper/viewthread.php?tid=14...
metallic containers for corrosive materials 13-3-2019 https://www.sciencemadness.org/whisper/viewthread.php?tid=14...
Glassware is Slowly Breaking under Vacuum... Safety? 21-2-2019 https://www.sciencemadness.org/whisper/viewthread.php?tid=14...
when chemistry goes wrong (should we include this?) 16-9-2015 https://www.sciencemadness.org/whisper/viewthread.php?tid=63...
silver perchlorate incomapibilities 2-2-2019 https://www.sciencemadness.org/whisper/viewthread.php?tid=14...
toxicity of chromium VI 3-2-2019 https://www.sciencemadness.org/whisper/viewthread.php?tid=14...
hydrogen peroxide maximum safe concentration 9-1-2019 https://www.sciencemadness.org/whisper/viewthread.php?tid=12...
long term chemical storage 26-12-2018 https://www.sciencemadness.org/whisper/viewthread.php?tid=11...
dimethylmercury cold storage? 12-12-2018 https://www.sciencemadness.org/whisper/viewthread.php?tid=11...
Zinc chloride from zinc used for construction - toxicity issues 4-12-2018 https://www.sciencemadness.org/whisper/viewthread.php?tid=10...
working with drums 26-11-2018 https://www.sciencemadness.org/whisper/viewthread.php?tid=10...
hydrogen Embrittlement - when to worry about it 13-10-2018 https://www.sciencemadness.org/whisper/viewthread.php?tid=97...
how hazardous is mercury droplets? 21-10-2018 https://www.sciencemadness.org/whisper/viewthread.php?tid=99...
Good Chemical Respirator for Home Labs? 16-3-2015 https://www.sciencemadness.org/whisper/viewthread.php?tid=61...
going to add more when i have some free time, in the mean time what do you think, is what i picked relevant to this new subforum?
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| Quote: Originally posted by Ubya |
Life in the Lab
Responsible practice, safety, toxicity, hazard management and waste disposal.
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I like that name
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Sounds a bit biochem for me.
Go for brains, Igor.
Mwahahaha.
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I created the new section and moved all threads, mentioned a few posts ago. I used j_sum1's second line of text for the name of the section and the
description below it. In this way, the main goal (using responsible practices in your lab) is visible from the main section name and the desciption
gives more insight in what we think of.
If there are more threads which you want to have moved to this new section, please post them in this thread. I will then move them to the new section
(if the request is reasonable).
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About recycling: https://www.sciencemadness.org/whisper/viewthread.php?tid=77...
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A general purpose reference database would be fantastic.
It may be more convincing if we 'published' our post-experiment activities a little more when showing experiments,
as an integral part of the experiment.
CAUTION : Hobby Chemist, not Professional or even Amateur
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Laboratory Tips and Tricks
https://www.sciencemadness.org/whisper/viewthread.php?tid=13...
(Edit: added description)
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| Quote: Originally posted by Sulaiman | A general purpose reference database would be fantastic.
It may be more convincing if we 'published' our post-experiment activities a little more when showing experiments,
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I think we don't need to, doing so makes it look like you think the reader is not capable of disposing his waste in a normal way. If anyone is not
sure about how to do it he can go to this new subforum and ask.
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Formatting seems to get broken when threads are moved to the new forum. Not sure why.
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