thereelstory
Harmless
Posts: 41
Registered: 18-1-2010
Member Is Offline
Mood: No Mood
|
|
What would be the easiest way to acquire:
Either the larger 30cf tanks or even discussion sized tanks of the following:
Co
Cl
.
I know local gas suppliers have it, but I just figure they would look at you like your a madman. I guess ordering it through a company whom I work for
would be the best bet. Any experiences with this? Thanks
|
|
|
UnintentionalChaos
International Hazard
Posts: 1454
Registered: 9-12-2006
Location: Mars
Member Is Offline
Mood: Nucleophilic
|
|
Quote: Originally posted by thereelstory  | Either the larger 30cf tanks or even discussion sized tanks of the following:
Co
Cl
.
I know local gas suppliers have it, but I just figure they would look at you like your a madman. I guess ordering it through a company whom I work for
would be the best bet. Any experiences with this? Thanks |
30 cubic foot tanks of cobalt metal and monoatomic chlorine? I wish you luck in your endeavor. 
Department of Redundancy Department - Now with paperwork!
'In organic synthesis, we call decomposition products "crap", however this is not a IUPAC approved nomenclature.' -Nicodem
|
|
|
BromicAcid
International Hazard
Posts: 3227
Registered: 13-7-2003
Location: Wisconsin
Member Is Offline
Mood: Rock n' Roll
|
|
There are more readily available ways of a making phosgene but none cheaper. You will likely get some three letter agencies after you if you try to
order 'large' quantities of chlorine and carbon monoxide together.
|
|
|
not_important
International Hazard
Posts: 3873
Registered: 21-7-2006
Member Is Offline
Mood: No Mood
|
|
Making cobalt chloride via the really hard route. Gotta admire thereelstory's level of ambitiousness, even if the level of
practicality is questionable.
I do hope that is their goal, as someone who can't properly write the symbols for carbon monoxide likely shouldn't messing with CO, Cl2, or COCl2...
|
|
|
DDTea
National Hazard
Posts: 940
Registered: 25-2-2003
Location: Freedomland
Member Is Offline
Mood: Degenerate
|
|
Listen: if you want to commit suicide, find a better way than phosgene.
If you want to synthesize toxic chemicals: pick something interesting, challenging, and that isn't in the gas phase. How about strychnine?
"In the end the proud scientist or philosopher who cannot be bothered to make his thought accessible has no choice but to retire to the heights in
which dwell the Great Misunderstood and the Great Ignored, there to rail in Olympic superiority at the folly of mankind." - Reginald Kapp.
|
|
|
thereelstory
Harmless
Posts: 41
Registered: 18-1-2010
Member Is Offline
Mood: No Mood
|
|
Thanks for the responses.
|
|
|
SmashGlass
Hazard to Self
Posts: 52
Registered: 25-1-2011
Location: Scandinavia
Member Is Offline
Mood: No Mood
|
|
Depending on whether you want to use carbon
monoxide (CO) or Cobalt (Co) there are better
ways to do these processes.
God knows why you would want a 1 cubic meter
tank (30cf). IF, highly NOT recommended, you
would want to make phosgene (COCl2) there
are much more efficient ways, but I would just
prefer to buy triphosgene instead. Unless you
specifically want isocyanates in a flow-through
process. With triphosgene you would need 3
times less for any reactions. It's slower reacting
and a solid.
And you wouldn't wipe out your neighborhood if
there was an accident.
But it would be doubtful that you would actually
get that far...
As for CoCl2, again easier to buy it.
Assuming you have the correct authorization
and permits.
Leave the big boy toys to the big boys.
If it ain't broke don't fix it....
Now where are my screwdrivers?  |
|
|
kuro96inlaila
Hazard to Self
Posts: 96
Registered: 21-6-2010
Location: Malaysia
Member Is Offline
Mood: Quietly thinking
|
|
| Quote: Originally posted by DDTea | Listen: if you want to commit suicide, find a better way than phosgene.
If you want to synthesize toxic chemicals: pick something interesting, challenging, and that isn't in the gas phase. How about strychnine?
|
How to synthesize strychnine?
|
|
|
ScienceSquirrel
International Hazard
Posts: 1863
Registered: 18-6-2008
Location: Brittany
Member Is Offline
Mood: Dogs are pets but cats are little furry humans with four feet and self determination! 
|
|
| Quote: Originally posted by kuro96inlaila | | Quote: Originally posted by DDTea | Listen: if you want to commit suicide, find a better way than phosgene.
If you want to synthesize toxic chemicals: pick something interesting, challenging, and that isn't in the gas phase. How about strychnine?
|
How to synthesize strychnine? |
There are plenty of syntheses of strychnine published. It is something of an Old Man Of Hoy amongst organic chemists, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_man_of_hoy , ever since RB Woodward's conquest of this small but technically challenging peak in total organic
synthesis others have been tempted to try their arm.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strychnine_total_synthesis
An attempt by a group of mad chemists would be something to see 
|
|
|
White Yeti
National Hazard
Posts: 816
Registered: 20-7-2011
Location: Asperger's spectrum
Member Is Offline
Mood: delocalized
|
|
If the OP is confusing cobalt metal and carbon monoxide gas, he probably shouldn't be making phosgene gas or cobalt chloride. He should go back to
school and learn the difference. Also good luck on finding monoatomic chlorine. Do you want a blacklight with that 30cf chlorine gas tank?
Besides, what on Earth do you need phosgene for?! Do you have a grudge against your neighbours? Try making something more useful and less dangerous
than phosgene. If you really want to make a poisonous gas, take some HCl or H2SO4 and mix it with a metal sulphide. This gas will knock the oxygen out
of your cells and will kill you in a matter of minutes.
Only a beginner would be ambitious enough to make phosgene, especially a dozen cubic feet of it. Get a grip.
|
|
|
unionised
International Hazard
Posts: 5102
Registered: 1-11-2003
Location: UK
Member Is Offline
Mood: No Mood
|
|
If the OP is still alive he probably didn't try making phosgene.
|
|
|
White Yeti
National Hazard
Posts: 816
Registered: 20-7-2011
Location: Asperger's spectrum
Member Is Offline
Mood: delocalized
|
|
We don't know if he's still alive. thereelstory, are you still alive? Just wondering...
|
|
|
White Yeti
National Hazard
Posts: 816
Registered: 20-7-2011
Location: Asperger's spectrum
Member Is Offline
Mood: delocalized
|
|
He didn't respond in months, so I'm guessing he is either too embarrassed to post, or dead.
|
|
|
Chordate
Hazard to Others
Posts: 108
Registered: 23-2-2011
Member Is Offline
Mood: No Mood
|
|
Or perhaps he did actually order both a cubic liter of carbon monoxide and a cubic meter of chlorine gas and is now locked in some dank three letter
agency dungeon.
|
|
|
DDTea
National Hazard
Posts: 940
Registered: 25-2-2003
Location: Freedomland
Member Is Offline
Mood: Degenerate
|
|
I found this book in the library the other day, and how could I resist thumbing through it?
http://www.amazon.com/Phosgenations-Handbook-Livius-Cotarca/...
"Phosgenations - A Handbook" by Livius Cotarca and Heiner Eckert.
Apparently, phosgene opens doors for a huge variety of chemical reactions at a reasonable cost once procedures for safely handling it are in place.
Still, I chuckled at the introduction to the book, titled "contradictions." In the third paragraph, the authors basically say, "Yeah, it's toxic; but
look what else has similar toxicity that we don't mind working with!" Never a winning argument.
[Edited on 9-12-11 by DDTea]
"In the end the proud scientist or philosopher who cannot be bothered to make his thought accessible has no choice but to retire to the heights in
which dwell the Great Misunderstood and the Great Ignored, there to rail in Olympic superiority at the folly of mankind." - Reginald Kapp.
|
|
|
White Yeti
National Hazard
Posts: 816
Registered: 20-7-2011
Location: Asperger's spectrum
Member Is Offline
Mood: delocalized
|
|
I still don't understand though, you can make CO easily by taking some organic matter and pyrolizing it. You can make chlorine gas by mixing some
muriatic acid with some bleach. You don't need to order these gasses on ebay, you can just make them yourself in small and (semi)manageable
quantities.
|
|
|
Chemistry Alchemist
Hazard to Others
Posts: 403
Registered: 2-8-2011
Location: Australia
Member Is Offline
Mood: No Mood
|
|
ive got a youtube video of refining cobalt from a battery, its a slow method to get it but if you do a large scale, u may got alot of it
|
|
|
White Yeti
National Hazard
Posts: 816
Registered: 20-7-2011
Location: Asperger's spectrum
Member Is Offline
Mood: delocalized
|
|
May we have a link to this utoob video?
|
|
|
simba
Hazard to Others
Posts: 175
Registered: 20-5-2011
Member Is Offline
Mood: No Mood
|
|
Chloroform can be oxidized into phosgene by air upon UV light irradiation not? It is also easily liquefied (8.3 ºC), so maybe it can be done at lab.
Not that I will ever try it, or maybe it is a good experiment to attempt when you feeling depressed, alone and deluded with life.
[Edited on 19-9-2011 by shivas]
|
|
|
bfesser
Resident Wikipedian
Posts: 2114
Registered: 29-1-2008
Member Is Offline
Mood: No Mood
|
|
I'm guessing, <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ft-zjHP7tWg">this</a> is the video. I suppose there's no point in staying on topic
in such an asinine thread as this, anyway...
|
|
|
![[*]](images/xpblue/default_icon.gif){kind=icon}
