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[*] posted on 2-2-2011 at 06:59
Thermal decomposition of KNO3


I saw on a youtube video, a boiling tube of NaNO3 converted to NaNO2 by flaming the boiling tube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7qRoYQEBPk
I don't have any NaNO3 so I tried this with KNO3 instead but got different results. I heated the boiling tube on a gas stove but the KNO3 turned black as it melted so I couldn't use this change from cloudy white to clear as an indicator that the reaction occured. Why would the salt turn black like that? Potassium oxide is pale yellow so thats not the cause of it.
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[*] posted on 2-2-2011 at 08:05


Because either your KNO3 had impurities in it that were oxidised to carbon or the glass had impurities on it that oxidised likewise.
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[*] posted on 2-2-2011 at 09:43


Recrystalize it and try again
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[*] posted on 7-2-2011 at 12:31


Quote: Originally posted by Retard-3000  
Recrystalize it and try again


I recrystallised from tap water and got the similar (turned brown instead of black this time) when I melted it. Shoulda used distilled water but the impurities from tap water wouldn't be enough turn the salt brown would it?
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[*] posted on 7-2-2011 at 14:59



Describe your recrystallisation process in detail. Too often I've seen someone "crystallising" a product by boiling off all the solvent and frying the solid. There's plenty of 17th and 18th century texts describing the purification of saltpeter, worth a bit of digging on the Internet Archives, Google Books, and elsewhere.
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[*] posted on 8-2-2011 at 07:05


Anyone planning on a recrystallisation should consult a solubility table.
This is the one from Wikipedia;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solubility_table#P
Recrystallising potassium nitrate should be a breeze and it gives really lovely needles if you do it right.
I would dissolve about 60g in 100ml warm water and then cool it slowly in the fridge.

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[*] posted on 8-2-2011 at 07:24


Quote: Originally posted by ScienceSquirrel  

Recrystallising potassium nitrate should be a breeze and it gives really lovely needles if you do it right.

Make a saturated solution and put in your freezer... works wonders.


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[*] posted on 8-2-2011 at 12:08


Quote: Originally posted by not_important  

Describe your recrystallisation process in detail. Too often I've seen someone "crystallising" a product by boiling off all the solvent and frying the solid. There's plenty of 17th and 18th century texts describing the purification of saltpeter, worth a bit of digging on the Internet Archives, Google Books, and elsewhere.

I added boiling water to a few grams of KNO3 until it was fully saturated then I put the solution in the freezer and let it cool to around 3C then filtered out the large crystal shards. Maybe the boiling tubes themselves are dirty.
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