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Making sodium by destiling Toluene or similar
Hi I saw NurdRages video of making sodium, by destiling aggregate with dioxane. Nurd says that it can work with other solvents like xylene, toluene or
mineral oil, but that the yield would be lower. I want to ask how much lower, and if there is any paper that can reference this
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Probably won’t find a paper on that reaction. Nurdrage claims to have discovered it himself. I’m inclined to believe him. So do the experiment and
see how the yields are affected.
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Likely not a paper that references this because it's certainly not the way it would be done industrially. When trying to purify sodium from
electrolysis it's common to melt the sodium under an inert liquid like mineral oil, in that case the sodium coalesces with some prodding and the dross
or whatever garbage there is can be separated on cooling. However in the case of working up that reaction mixture you have so much garbage that the
pieces of sodium likely describe much more work to isolate. I tried to perform this operation to try to recover potassium but had a lot of issues.
Check out the unconventional sodium thread, there's a lot of stuff from back in 2005 where we were trying dioxane, toluene, kerosene, etc.
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Based on later work by NurdRage, only ethereal solvents like dioxane or glyme would work to coalesce the sodium produced in NaOH/Mg aggregate. It
appears that the oxygens atoms of the solvent are necessary to weakly coordinate the metal and bring it together - it's probably possible with
toluene, but you may struggle and require multiple refluxes.
If you're after a paper, the best you'll get is my report found here: http://www.sciencemadness.org/talk/viewthread.php?tid=104576
[Edited on 23-10-2019 by 12thealchemist]
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I suspect that the relevant thread(s) mention that the dioxane is from a patent that gives no alternatives or explanation other than density.
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Quote: Originally posted by 12thealchemist  | Based on later work by NurdRage, only ethereal solvents like dioxane or glyme would work to coalesce the sodium produced in NaOH/Mg aggregate. It
appears that the oxygens atoms of the solvent are necessary to weakly coordinate the metal and bring it together - it's probably possible with
toluene, but you may struggle and require multiple refluxes.
If you're after a paper, the best you'll get is my report found here: http://www.sciencemadness.org/talk/viewthread.php?tid=104576
[Edited on 23-10-2019 by 12thealchemist][/rquo
12thealchemist do u know if anyone has actually tried glymes or whether it's just been theorised? |
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I reckon lithium with its tendency to float in xylene or toluene or mineral oil could be purified by boiling in them the way dioxane works if it's
just a matter of density.
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