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[*] posted on 13-8-2020 at 13:50


Quote: Originally posted by Chemorg42  
I enjoyed how the "Coughing incident" just got more dramatic as the web of paranoid lies unfolded.


WHY DO YOU GUYS THINK I'M LYING?? I'm serious about this. I just felt like adding the detail of me scarring my mom's lungs later.

And yes I scarred the lungs. She got a screening a while later and her lungs had scars all over them likely from that instance. I seriously don't get it. I'm not lying. I've filled my room with HCl before, had runaways, NO2 fumes all over the place, etc. and all of those would be totally normal here and not a lie. But then I tell you guys about when shit actually hurt others and you think I'm lying??? WHY? I'm fucking trying to help out here and keep other people and the environment a bit safer. Then I get labeled as a chemophobe, a liar, and bitch. Are you fucking kidding me?

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[*] posted on 13-8-2020 at 13:53


Quote: Originally posted by karlos³  
Uhm... I am not yelling at you.
But... I get the impression you aren't used at all to organic chemistry.
It almost sounds like a chemophobic reaction from an outsider, to be honest.

I do almost only organic chemistry(and to add that, specialised on drug synthesis), so I am pretty well versed on organic reactions and their usual smells, vapors, etc, whatever.
Organic chemistry simply is smelly and all.
Carcinogens are ubiquitous too... I have to say, every day in the home lab, I work with at least a single one of them.
Occasionally I might get some on my skin too, but so what?
Thats organic chemistry.
Don't be so overly scared.
Hundred-150 years ago, it was usus to taste things that were made.
Those guys didn't died gruesome deads either.

I think it is important to find a middle between responsible caution and overly exaggerated fear... without drifting into being careless.
After a good portion of time and experience this will set in by itself.
Try to live until then, without dying from a psychological shock! :o
You seem to be at great risk of this, reading your report.


No I've been in this for years. The danger increased as I went along and got better. I finally hit a cap and the dangerous stuff was starting to show effects. I'm not an outsider. Look at my post history. It literally matches my intentions. I was trying to make benzocaine. The nitric acid I distilled a while ago had that incident and the nitrotoluene incident happened right afterwards.
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[*] posted on 13-8-2020 at 14:05


Quote: Originally posted by karlos³  
Quote: Originally posted by fdnjj6  

Go sort some more potent carcinogens then. Give the ol dichromate a nice line.

Uhm, I work with this quite regular too, even made aminoketones from aminoalcohols with it(which went into my nose by the way), but I have to disappoint you: dichromate salts don't smell at all.
I like their colours though :)

Your fictional story got more and more entertaining by the way.
But less believable the more you freaked out.
You should work on your writing skills some more.
I wouldn't publish this stuff, to be honest.

My recommendation would be not to hang around too much(or at all) at r/chemistry, it seems you can get infected with chemophobia there, replacing reason and thoughtfulness with hysteria.


How do you dispose of the waste?

I also mean snort not sort haha.

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[*] posted on 13-8-2020 at 14:08


Quote: Originally posted by Fyndium  
I was worried about styrene.

PEL for it is 100ppm for 8h a day, and it's odor treshold is 0.016ppm or 70 micrograms per cubic meter and it is easily characterizable by most in 4-5 times that amount.

When I consider that styrene is used in composite manufacturing in large scale and I visit occasionally a boat shop where they still do that styrene lamination process by hand, they basically live with the fumes. If I smell it when I measure it and pour it in closed vessel, my exposure can be at most marginal.


Until recently, it was as an artificial flavor. It has a sweet smell that reminds me of burning marshmallows, but that's probably because I recognize it from burning styrofoam cups in campfires. It doesn't actually smell like marshmallows.

My understanding is that the authorization was discontinued not because styrene is not a safe artificial flavor but because it had not been used for that purpose in decades. I don't really know how safe it is as a food additive, but the oral LD50 for styrene is actually about twice as high as the oral LD50 for cinnamaldehyde.

Neither is anything you want to breath all day long every day, and I certainly wouldn't eat a big spoonful or put drops of it in my eyes, but I wouldn't be too concerned.
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[*] posted on 13-8-2020 at 22:54


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Mein Freund, was ich geposted habe ist keine Geschichte. Es ist alles wahr was ich gesagt habe. Ich habe keine Ahnung warum jeder hier meint das ich am luegen bin. Ich have echte Angst fuer die Leute die in meiner naehe sind waerend ich am experimenten bin. Warum findet ihr alle es okay eure Nachbarn solche Chemikalien zu inhalieren lassen? Ernsthaft. Und was macht ihr mitt dem Abfall? Einfach in den Muel werfen??

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[*] posted on 13-8-2020 at 23:19


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Mein Freund, was ich geposted habe ist keine Geschichte. Es ist alles wahr was ich gesagt habe. Ich habe keine Ahnung warum jeder hier meint das ich am luegen bin. Ich have echte Angst fuer die Leute die in meiner naehe sind waerend ich am experimenten bin. Warum findet ihr alle es okay eure Nachbarn solche Chemikalien zu inhalieren lassen? Ernsthaft. Und was macht ihr mitt dem Abfall? Einfach in den Muel werfen??

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Is it enforced / a rule? Just type it into Google translate if you want to know what I said.

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[*] posted on 13-8-2020 at 23:25


Quote: Originally posted by JJay  
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Quote: Originally posted by JJay  
I was reading this expecting to see some revelation about how you were dying of leukemia or accidentally lost your arm in a freak accident. The part where you lost me is where you referred to your family member as "they" as if you were discussing some generic relative rather than a specific person who got exposed. I think you put a lot of work into this narrative, but I don't believe a word of it, and while you're probably well-meaning, I'd suggest you do your do-gooding somewhere else on a topic you better understand.


Well, considering that I was crying as my mom was coughing her lung out from being exposed to nitric acid vapors I think that I am not some fucking narrative making bastard. This was a while back and still haunts me. I can't believe how crazy people on here are. You are endangering others. I get doing mild shit but come on man. Exposing people to carcinogens and toxic nitro aromatics is just too much.

BTW I was crying since there is no cure for NO2 poisoning and I was reading the delayed pulmonary edema effects. I was fucking lucky she didn't die from that. So fuck everyone on here for caring about others.

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I'm not endangering others, and you have no knowledge of whether I am endangering others, nor do you have a justification.

Let me just point out that chemistry is dangerous, and you should be well-acquainted with the potential dangers before you do an experiment. If you're feeling guilty about one line of inquiry or another, it may be best if you don't investigate that line of inquiry.

One of my first acts when I got into amateur chemistry was to drop a vial of bromine on the floor in my dorm room. I understood that bromine was pretty nasty stuff, but I hadn't realized how thoroughly repulsive and searing it would be. I was not entirely unprepared for the dangers, and with sodium thiosulfate and a ventilation fan, I managed to avoid detection and subsequent consequences. I also managed to avoid poisoning my neighbors, and I avoided acute toxic effects. I certainly do not suggest that anyone repeat the experience.

NO2 is really quite nasty as well - there is a post on here where I mentioned an experience pulling back the sash of a very simple fume hood that I had put together with clear vinyl sheets, It was designed to seal with gravity and develop a slight vacuum while the fan was running. At that particular moment, it had been filled with an orange gas, and I wanted it to ventilate better. I was nearly knocked down by the ferocity of the fumes, but the hood sealed itself and eventually cleared. Again, there were no effects that lasted beyond my initial shock at how horrible the orange gas was.

Preparation is key.

The chemicals I was dealing with here are pretty horrific, and your first thought on exposure to them would be to run away. I'm more scared, though, of the things that aren't so shockingly nasty - carbon monoxide, phosgene, hydrofluoric acid, dimethyl sulfate, organic mercury - but I would feel safe handling them if I planned ahead and took precautions.

You aren't going to scare chemists away from chemistry. They already know it can be scary. It is important, though, to prevent harm to other people. You have to be prepared. It seems weird to think that you are trying to tell people that you should do chemistry when your mom isn't around, but I don't see what other moral we should take from this story.


Dropping a vial in your dorm room eh? Sounds like you could've used this post. Not scaring chemists, just preventing people like you in your dorm.

"avoided poisoning my neighbors" so there ya go. You can be all prepared you want, I was too, but you can't control chemicals perfectly. If you could I wouldn't be here talking right now. I had no evidence at first besides knowing that most people live in residential areas around others, but seeing you talk about not poisoning your neighbors on accident, yea you just contradicted your whole point.

So in short, yes, doing reactions that could potentially poison your neighbors, is in fact putting them at danger. No preparation can save you from something that you never expected and got out of control. A simple leak is all it takes. A bad chemical, malfunctioning addition funnel, a windy day, rain, god damn anything. There are too many uncontrolled variables in the amateur setting to be able to play with things like bromine at home.

There's no way around it. Even if you had a fume hood with proper filters leading outside in your shed, you'd still need good and proper disposal as well as proper storage. Storage being key here. When things go wrong and you're not there, it's worse 10 fold.

So as much as you pride yourself in safety, you have shown lack of it and continue to ignore it.

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[*] posted on 13-8-2020 at 23:44


I wanted to call him out on that too, but after I typed a few words, I thought, screw it.
He is just trying desperately to get someone to believe his tale, I guess this one was directed at me(or maybe he was on drugs, no idea).
It made him appear just even more desperate for someone believing him, also even more hysterical as he appeared already to me.

The content is the same stuff again like "I'm not lying, why does everybody think that, I am scared to hurt other people when I experiment, why do you guys let your neighbours inhale your chemicals, do you throw your waste in the trash"
Just whiney attention whoring.


@OP: look, you're projecting things on us.
But just because you do things the way you did it this time, you shouldn't assume anyone of us is that irresponsible and reckless as well.
You did some reaction badly prepared, with insufficient equipment and insufficient knowledge.
Thats bad already.
But even worse, when it went a little bit wrong, you, instead of staying calm and act accordingly to contain it all in a thoughtful and planned manner, you did the exact opposite.
You freaked out and spread panic instead.
And consequently scared the person that thought they would smell and taste something, resulting in fear and in turn psychosomatic symptoms(you probably cried and explained what worse things you have read about, and I am sure this alone caused the "victim" to experience several of those through the psychosomatic suggestion, understandable for the person though, but not the least bit for you).

Now, all those mistakes, combined with your latent chemophobia, caused this.
Not home chemistry, not chemicals.
The cause of all the things that went wrong, is solely you.
You tried something you didn't researched and understood nearly as well enough, in an environment that was not suited for this, with inadequate equipment.
And to me it seems you did this in your room in your parents appartment, where you live, right?
Your fault here.
But even worse, you had no idea how to react in case something happens, and what to do to counteract this situation.
And I am disappointed you could not even stay calm and judged the situation realistical.
You overreacted completely.
I can smell the hysteria.

Be assured, us others don't do things like this.
We prepare well, know the reaction and its possible unwanted outcomes, have and use the equipment to run it properly, and we know how to treat chemical waste to dispose it safely.
There is no lesson to learn from this for others in my opinion, besides that young people act prematurely and irresponsible sometimes, running some reaction in their room when they know thats not the right place.
And when their parents notice, panic, partly due to hysteria, partly due to their bad conscience, and partly because they have no realistic view on those things, resulting in them being not able to judge the situation appropriately.
But I hope you have learned a lesson from it yourself.

And I'd like to recommend to stay away from those morons at r/chemistry.
They are for a good part the cause of your exaggerated overreaction, I don't assume but know this.
Lacking a real sense for the properties of chemicals, borderline to a naive housewifes chemophobia, the last thing you can learn there is a common sense for substances or how to judge their real harms based on logic and not some threatening warning sign.
Never, there is probably not a single person that is not fearmongering, because they don't know better, or even put enough interest in it themself to do some research to find out.
They care as much for chemistry, as sheep care about grazing, its the same mentality.
They are the opposite of us here, and are proof that you can study chemistry, yet still will never be as much of a chemists as some here who aren't even academics but maybe a car mechanic or carpenter, but are more passionate for chemistry alone than this whole subreddit combined is.
If you prefer to think like them, then don't try to spread their thinking over here, you will be ridiculed for it as you've experienced, and rightfully so.
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[*] posted on 13-8-2020 at 23:57


So there is also a thread on reddit?

I am almost sure what are the answers there... :D
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[*] posted on 13-8-2020 at 23:58


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Life expectancy with organic chemistry: 60 years (death from leukemia)
Life expectancy without organic chemistry: 30 years (death from suicide)




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[*] posted on 14-8-2020 at 00:11


Quote: Originally posted by outer_limits  

I am almost sure what are the answers there... :D


... and I was not surprised

Cou: I saw the posts where you described how chemistry helped you. That's great.
But for more common case I would change your predictions to:

org chem: 60 years - leukemia
no practical chemistry: 60 years - anal cancer

But as it was mentioned few times - chemistry requires to think about possible problems. Without any safety precautions, planning and ability to act immediately it is going to be bad.
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[*] posted on 14-8-2020 at 00:17


@Cou, or even worse, you still live 60 years, but without joy, passion and a wonderful lifelong occupation with something that wonderful!

And to add something which disturbs me most on the OP: a real chemist who gets scared by something that smells a bit?
Once again, the famous quote here:
“The chemists are a strange class of mortals, impelled by an almost insane impulse to seek their pleasures amid smoke and vapour, soot and flame, poisons and poverty; yet among all these evils I seem to live so sweetly that may I die if I were to change places with the Persian king.”
― Johann Joachim Becher

Most people here will agree on that completely.
A real chemist doesn't get scared because of the smell of a chemical that is attributed with possible unpleasant or harmful consequences sometimes, its just required by law, but the warning signs don't make it cause cancer immediately or what.
Nobody would freak out because he got a whiff of benzene in his nose on accident, so what, this happens.
Also, it smells not unpleasant.
Freaking out directly in such a case is probably a good indication that chemistry might be too exciting and scary in practice for those :D
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[*] posted on 14-8-2020 at 00:24


I typed out an entire response on my phone but it wouldn't upload. So instead of typing the whole damn thing again:

Go ahead keep doing what you do. I don't get scared of the smell, I get scared when others around me can smell it.

Don't act like 70% of people on here run their shit exactly like I did. The warning wasn't addressed to you if you have your "safe and fancy lab where no one else is in danger." I don't understand why you morons would reply to this if it's not even aimed at you.

I have lots more to say but in short, fuck all of you, go eat a dick, and I hope you don't appreciate of other people being made aware and ignoring someone saying that outside =/= fume hood.

I was also prepared for bad shit. Something I wasn't prepared for is the nitrotoluene stinking up the entire surrounding 30 feet of me despite being outside with ventilation. The woman next to me (a complete stupid bitch btw) has respiratory issues and my family member does too. So while it's now obvious that outdoors doesn't suffice for the shit a lot of you like to do, it seems like no one here gives a fuck.

So yea can I have my account banned or something? I'm not logging back into this POS anyway so just open up another member slot will ya?

I'm all for at home chemistry but not like that. So yea fuck this, fuck all of you, fuck this site, fuck your hobby, fuck everything. And because why not? Fuck that dog next door that won't stop barking.

Peace bitches

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[*] posted on 14-8-2020 at 00:27


It hurt to read this, and he also mixed things up on purpose to make us seem bad :o
https://www.reddit.com/r/chemistry/comments/i8vcpu/a_word_to...

Well, he has his echo chamber over there where they all praise him for fearing the chemicals as much as they do...

E: kids these days can be so rude :o

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[*] posted on 14-8-2020 at 00:29


Quote: Originally posted by karlos³  
@Cou, or even worse, you still live 60 years, but without joy, passion and a wonderful lifelong occupation with something that wonderful!

And to add something which disturbs me most on the OP: a real chemist who gets scared by something that smells a bit?
Once again, the famous quote here:
“The chemists are a strange class of mortals, impelled by an almost insane impulse to seek their pleasures amid smoke and vapour, soot and flame, poisons and poverty; yet among all these evils I seem to live so sweetly that may I die if I were to change places with the Persian king.”
― Johann Joachim Becher

Most people here will agree on that completely.
A real chemist doesn't get scared because of the smell of a chemical that is attributed with possible unpleasant or harmful consequences sometimes, its just required by law, but the warning signs don't make it cause cancer immediately or what.
Nobody would freak out because he got a whiff of benzene in his nose on accident, so what, this happens.
Also, it smells not unpleasant.
Freaking out directly in such a case is probably a good indication that chemistry might be too exciting and scary in practice for those :D


Something that smells a bit? No something that causes cancer, is not known how potent of a carcinogen it is in humans, is toxic, and volatile is more like correct wording.

You know why you guys have an issue with r/chemistry? Because they are legit pros. They know the deal and what is ethical and what not. Maybe you are a pro too. I don't know that. What I do know is that you don't fucking know how to run a lab if you are potentially exposing people to various carcinogens and toxins.

Peace out motherfuckers. Report me please so I go out with a nice bang. And remember, fuck all of you.
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[*] posted on 14-8-2020 at 00:30


Quote: Originally posted by fdnjj6  
fuck all of you


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Quote: Originally posted by karlos³  
It hurt to read this, and he also mixed things up on purpose to make us seem bad :o
https://www.reddit.com/r/chemistry/comments/i8vcpu/a_word_to...

Well, he has his echo chamber over there where they all praise him for fearing the chemicals as much as they do...


I didn't mix up shit to make you look bad. Faggots. Call me whatever you want. I'm done.
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[*] posted on 14-8-2020 at 00:35


They are "pros" on there?
If real chemists in the past had their attitude, we wouldn't even have discovered the essential anorganic acids and based, batteries would be thousand years in the future with luck, and so on...
With fear you don't discover things.
Most chemists I worked with weren't real chemists, only from 9-5.
A real chemists is a chemist 24h each day, it is a set of the mind not just a job or profession.

Just go away if you feel offended by being confronted with reality, resulting in the need to shout profanities to those who dared to say things to you that you didn't wanted to hear.
Or grow up and stay.
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[*] posted on 14-8-2020 at 01:43


I think this thread is ready to be locked.

OP made a complete fool out of himself due to lack of understanding and experience.
Worst of all exposing his family to dangerous chemicals, a good example of what not to do.

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Quote: Originally posted by fdnjj6  
Quote: Originally posted by JJay  
Quote: Originally posted by fdnjj6  
Quote: Originally posted by JJay  
I was reading this expecting to see some revelation about how you were dying of leukemia or accidentally lost your arm in a freak accident. The part where you lost me is where you referred to your family member as "they" as if you were discussing some generic relative rather than a specific person who got exposed. I think you put a lot of work into this narrative, but I don't believe a word of it, and while you're probably well-meaning, I'd suggest you do your do-gooding somewhere else on a topic you better understand.


Well, considering that I was crying as my mom was coughing her lung out from being exposed to nitric acid vapors I think that I am not some fucking narrative making bastard. This was a while back and still haunts me. I can't believe how crazy people on here are. You are endangering others. I get doing mild shit but come on man. Exposing people to carcinogens and toxic nitro aromatics is just too much.

BTW I was crying since there is no cure for NO2 poisoning and I was reading the delayed pulmonary edema effects. I was fucking lucky she didn't die from that. So fuck everyone on here for caring about others.

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I'm not endangering others, and you have no knowledge of whether I am endangering others, nor do you have a justification.

Let me just point out that chemistry is dangerous, and you should be well-acquainted with the potential dangers before you do an experiment. If you're feeling guilty about one line of inquiry or another, it may be best if you don't investigate that line of inquiry.

One of my first acts when I got into amateur chemistry was to drop a vial of bromine on the floor in my dorm room. I understood that bromine was pretty nasty stuff, but I hadn't realized how thoroughly repulsive and searing it would be. I was not entirely unprepared for the dangers, and with sodium thiosulfate and a ventilation fan, I managed to avoid detection and subsequent consequences. I also managed to avoid poisoning my neighbors, and I avoided acute toxic effects. I certainly do not suggest that anyone repeat the experience.

NO2 is really quite nasty as well - there is a post on here where I mentioned an experience pulling back the sash of a very simple fume hood that I had put together with clear vinyl sheets, It was designed to seal with gravity and develop a slight vacuum while the fan was running. At that particular moment, it had been filled with an orange gas, and I wanted it to ventilate better. I was nearly knocked down by the ferocity of the fumes, but the hood sealed itself and eventually cleared. Again, there were no effects that lasted beyond my initial shock at how horrible the orange gas was.

Preparation is key.

The chemicals I was dealing with here are pretty horrific, and your first thought on exposure to them would be to run away. I'm more scared, though, of the things that aren't so shockingly nasty - carbon monoxide, phosgene, hydrofluoric acid, dimethyl sulfate, organic mercury - but I would feel safe handling them if I planned ahead and took precautions.

You aren't going to scare chemists away from chemistry. They already know it can be scary. It is important, though, to prevent harm to other people. You have to be prepared. It seems weird to think that you are trying to tell people that you should do chemistry when your mom isn't around, but I don't see what other moral we should take from this story.


Dropping a vial in your dorm room eh? Sounds like you could've used this post. Not scaring chemists, just preventing people like you in your dorm.



That was almost twenty years ago. And believe me, your post wouldn't have made the slightest bit of difference. If I'd seen U235's video on bromine and heard his warnings about his real life experience, I might have approached things a bit differently. But no, your post is nothing but ignorance, arrogance, and paranoia.

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"avoided poisoning my neighbors" so there ya go. You can be all prepared you want, I was too, but you can't control chemicals perfectly. If you could I wouldn't be here talking right now. I had no evidence at first besides knowing that most people live in residential areas around others, but seeing you talk about not poisoning your neighbors on accident, yea you just contradicted your whole point.


:D:D:D Whatever man. You're here talking because you want to be recognized for your erudite views on safety. Let me clue you in on something: You don't have erudite views. You know too little to realize how little you know. If you want to impress people, do something new.


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So in short, yes, doing reactions that could potentially poison your neighbors, is in fact putting them at danger. No preparation can save you from something that you never expected and got out of control. A simple leak is all it takes. A bad chemical, malfunctioning addition funnel, a windy day, rain, god damn anything. There are too many uncontrolled variables in the amateur setting to be able to play with things like bromine at home.

There's no way around it. Even if you had a fume hood with proper filters leading outside in your shed, you'd still need good and proper disposal as well as proper storage. Storage being key here. When things go wrong and you're not there, it's worse 10 fold.

So as much as you pride yourself in safety, you have shown lack of it and continue to ignore it.

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Oh, do I pride myself in safety? Hmm... I mean, I'm always glad when I avoid danger. But yeah, I realize that there's going to be danger in chemistry, and while I recognize that I've done some dumb things in the past, and I'm probably going to do dumb things in the future (but hopefully things that are less dumb), for me, safety isn't so much an issue of pride as it is survival. Do I care about safety? Oh, absolutely. But it's not because my mother is going to take my chemistry set away. It's not because I want to be recognized as the Sciencemadness Safety Scientist. It's because I don't want to lose an eye or get cancer or hurt someone else or burn the place down or get arrested. And I have a good record on that. If you're trying to moralize and gloat because of something risky I did twenty years ago... well, man... you can stick a sock in it, you know? You're the one who poisoned your mom (allegedly)--and recently. I haven't poisoned anyone.

While I hardly think that this will be the end of the conversation, I strongly urge you to recognize a few things. First, that these are your opinions. They are not shared universally. Second, that your views on safety should guide your behavior. If you're being unsafe, why should you expect to lecture others on safety? And also that you are not an expert at this point. Words of wisdom on safety are always appreciated, but this post is arrogant and emotional, it displays reckless behavior, it seeks to enforce ninny-level controls, and it's chemophobic. In short, this post displays narcissistic, histrionic, antisocial, dependent, obsessive-compulsive, and paranoid traits. This is not how you want to come across if you want to be recognized for your views.
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Do I need to read all of this diatribe to make a call here?
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There are enough people swearing at each other and enough people hitting report post for me to consign this to detritus.
If I have made the wrong call here, kindly direct me to the posts with sufficient value to resurrect this thing. Otherwise, it is done.
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I want to add to j_sum1's word: be a decent 'citizen' over here. More 'fucks' towards other members may lead to a ban. I am completely done with your immature way of communicating and how you respond to other people's remarks.




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