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Ampoules and others label design for printing
Hi. What do you think to discuss here the design of labels that are cheaper to print than to buy (for example NFPA704 stickers). If you have any ideas
write here. I'm sure you will have better ideas too. This is good, but not perfect.
CdS. K3CrO8. Cu2[HgI2Br2]. Sc2(SeO3)3
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The labels are good-looking, but for the small ampoules I would make them smaller. You only see little part of the compound with these labels. I would
like to see 90% or so of the compound, and just have a small label.
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I agree with Woelen, smaller labels would be better.
I personaly don't add safety labels on any container with chemical. When I store something, I already know risks.
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Yes I know it is a large size but I did it with a tablet and I could not calculate the size. That's why I think it would be good to discuss size an
other things here.
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Quote: Originally posted by Bedlasky  |
I personaly don't add safety labels on any container with chemical. When I store something, I already know risks. |
Yes, I am too. This is the first time I have written. Basically I write only the name with a marker. Often the names are messy too, but I know at a
glance. When you are in constant contact with the chemicals, you do not need safety signs, but it is just nice.
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I just mean, that in the case of ampules you save lots of space. On a bottle there is a planty of space for safety labels, but space on an ampule is
quite limited.
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I've made my own label for bottles and I just scale it down to fit a need. I have made three different sized ones so far, one full-sized, one for
smaller bottles and then one for the very small ones. Printer can easily produce very small font size, so that'd be no issue.
I have created templates for them to be printed, and I just refill all the text and pictograms as needed. As I save them in new files, I can just
print more later if I need. I already have a collection of about 50 different labels.
Only downside is that it's b&w, but the GHS pictograms are all the same anyway. If I'd buy a color printer I could print all fancy colored ones.
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| Quote: Originally posted by Fyndium | I've made my own label for bottles and I just scale it down to fit a need. I have made three different sized ones so far, one full-sized, one for
smaller bottles and then one for the very small ones. Printer can easily produce very small font size, so that'd be no issue.
I have created templates for them to be printed, and I just refill all the text and pictograms as needed. As I save them in new files, I can just
print more later if I need. I already have a collection of about 50 different labels.
Only downside is that it's b&w, but the GHS pictograms are all the same anyway. If I'd buy a color printer I could print all fancy colored ones.
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Can you share labels?
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Instead I'd rather tell that by simply making a background template with windows paint, collecting GHS labels into one file and copy-pasting these
into openoffice writer will produce a very good result IMO. Three labels will fit perfectly into an A4-sized page, and text can be manually adjusted
by size to position to match the label's need.
It's how I did it. Difficult to scale and needs some manual adjustments, but produces quite competitive results when only small amounts are needed on
occasion, comparing it to any costly software, or merely buying a plethora of stickers that may or may not fit your needs. Oh, I happened to make some
extra-random complex salt? Order a sticker for it? Not otc, must be custom-ordered, costs 28$ + shipping and takes 4 weeks to arrive. Hand-text it to
your bottles? Stock looks like meth lab or grandma's jelly stash, no matter how you try to avoid it.
Bonus is that all your resources look uniform when you've got similar stickers on every one of them, instead a circus of labels.
PS. Good plastic containers for powders can be obtained from laundry packages. They range from 200 to 1000mL in size and are cylindrical. The labels
are easy to peel off by filling it with boiling water.
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I suggest you use Libre Office and dowload the free SVG gallery
https://extensions.libreoffice.org/en/extensions/show/galler...
Also, I use old EEC orange pictograms. Better looking, compact, more visible. And add only relevant ones (T, T+). Attached you find an example, print
that on normal paper or adhesive paper with a laser printer and cut them out.
If you make a similar file (I have a 33 page one that won't upload due to size) I suggest you go with 1.6x1.6, 1x1 and 0.6x0.6 cm. I have made plenty
label templates over the years but now I stick to single pictograms and handwritten sticky labels
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Attachment: Pittogrammi.pdf (528kB)
This file has been downloaded 240 times
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| Quote: Originally posted by valeg96 | | Also, I use old EEC orange pictograms. Better looking, compact, more visible. And add only relevant ones (T, T+). |
I also think that orange pictograms look better  . I have lots of 30, 40 maybe
even 50 years old chemicals which have these orange symbols.
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Seems to be a personal taste. I thought they were cool when I was younger, but nowadays I associate the GHS to be a more modern option, the older
appear a bit murky to me.
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I also have very old compounds. Basically every chemicals has Soviet-era labels. I always throw them and write the formula with a marker. The funny
thing is that no matter what the compound is, None of this mentions how dangerous the compound is, be it uranyl nitrate or potassium chloride labels
are same.
It is a 40-50 years old NH6PO4, It looks like sugar.
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There are som chemicals. That’s how big the difference is. The first compounds from the right are very old packaging. In the middle are new, acids
are poured into similar bottles. On the left you know that there are new ones. Of course the new packaging is very nice, the old ones are all glass
and sometimes heavier than the substance that is inside, so when I come to another house, it is very difficult to transport. The new ones are
beautiful and the information is included. That’s why I don’t like Soviet packaging.
There are so many different age glassware and substances in my lab, you can't tell if this is antique or modern lab.
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It is generally a bad idea to remove original labels, for many reasons, mostly the fact that you lose all information regarding purity, assay, brand,
origin and without a label you can't trace the product or show a potential buyer that what they buy is legit. For the same reason it is not advisable
to mix together identical chemicals from different bottles or brands, or repackage chemicals if not needed. Also, original labels are much more
resistant to water, humidity and solvents, or the generic nasty vapours you have in a lab; homemade labels last much less. So yeah, keep the original
ones, vano.
Once you lose the original label you can't be sure about the content, and in many laboratories anything that is unlabeled or has lost its label, or
was repackaged with unreadable labeling (e.g. permanent markers) is disposed of.
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Trust me it is not a bad idea. Nothing special is written on Soviet chemicals label. Look at this old photo with nothing written on it important. It
is magnesium sulfate. The funny thing is that even if it were uranium dioxide, even then the label would be similar, no warning is given, and for
example, if you buy sodium chloride from American brands, it is even written that it irritates the eyes, and so on.
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You are free to do as you please, but there are plenty reasons why nobody does it in a real laboratory, and unlabeled chemicals are sometimes even
disposed of. On an economic pov, they also lose value if you were to sell them and if they are vintage. I personally bought many cheap chemicals I
didn't need only because of their vintage look. I would just add a small label on the side, and keep the original label.
Some home chemists I know won't even buy unsealed chemicals, let alone custom labeled ones!
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Valeg you are right. I agree with you. However, the main thing is that the name may appear, as you can see, nothing important is written on the label.
It may look old on the outside, but the product is incredibly clean always.
Here's what it looks like.
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If chemicals are supplied in an original, undamaged package with original labels, this would be the ideal situation. I have never discarded an actual
chemical package, instead I've reused them actually, for example I have 2.5L methanol glass bottle that I've refilled with fuel grade methanol a few
times.
For an amateur, situation is less ideal many times. Many "chemicals" are sourced from otc stuff, and "Oxi-Clean" or "Shake-n-Bake kitchen soda" or
"Longlife Anti-Freeze" are not regarded as labels, IMO.
Vintage containers I would more likely just put for looks to the upper shelf and let collect dust there. Stuff that I use I want to be expendable.
Commercial or official laboratory is a totally different environment in this matter. They must follow high standards, and they also can just order
everything they need in bulk, and repackaging stuff is out of question. This applies to labs that do not produce anything physical, but rather some
analysis results, etc.
But in production labs, not sure how they store chemicals and intermediates for synthesis runs that they produce? Do they have reuseable containers or
do they use them only once, batch-wise? Mass production always has pre-designed containers and usually separate packing lines, but this is a different
matter.
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I also don't discard original packaging, I simply don't take off the original labeling because I don't like their looks. You lose any kind of
traceability and it's also less interesting if vintage or potentially for sale. I have boxes of empty containers, caps and lids, but when a chemical
is in his original packaging I see no reason to alter that. I even keep original containers and refill them, with just a small tape label saying
"Technical grade" or "Hardware store".
I'm a lot for preservation, and probably a bit OCD on this topic.
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I am not going to sell these substances, so it does not matter if it will be in a PET container or in a glass bottle. Nothing personal, I hate the
Soviet Union, so I do not want the label to be written in Russian when I can write label in Georgian.
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