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Cobalt selenite + photos
Hi. Today i Made cobalt selenite dihydrate. It has very nice colour. Anhydrous selenite looks like anhydrous chloride. Now i have Sc, Cu, Fe3, Ni, Co,
Mn, i also have small amount of Hg selenite. I want to make Fe 2, chromium and vanadyl selenites.
Now i have many cobalt sulfate and i think i will make lot's of cobalt compounds.
Wet selenite
Different from other selenites.
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Wow, those are super vibrant colors. I should get some selenic acid. I wonder what hexammine nickel selenite or tetraamminecopper selenite would
look like?
Nuclear physics is neat. It's a shame it's so regulated...
Now that I think about it, that's probably a good thing. Still annoying though.
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The ammine complexes will probably look identical to the sulphates of the complexes. The ammine ligands will prevent the selenite from gtting into
the coordination sphere and affecting the colours.
Please remember: "Filtrate" is not a verb.
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Vano: I think, that ferrous ions will reduce selenite in to red selenium, try it first in test tube.
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Thanks everyone.
Unlike other selenites i have more Ni and Cu salt and i will try amino complexes.
Bedlasky: i will try in the test tube. I hesitate because it does not have such a good color. It has a white yellowish colour.
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Full is better
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Two weeks ago I made copper ammino complex. CuSeO3•2H2O is well soluble in ammonia solution. When i dissolved it then add large amount of isopropyl
alcohol, but nothing precipitated. Next i boiled it, but I forgot to turn off the heater and it was heating at 200-250 degrees overnight. I finally
got copper oxide.
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Bedlasky: i tried this reaction. Red selenium did not form, but look at the colour. It is a interesting, I don't know why this insoluble compound have
such colour. I knew that divalent iron selenite is white yellowish solid. If this is selenite then i make more, but im not sure. What do you think?
I used iron sulfate hydrate, sodium selenite and warm, but not hot water.
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I filtered and washed. It looks like iron oxide. But i don't know exactly. I know that iron oxide have different colours. It depends on precipitation
methods and other things, but i never seen oxide that has exactly same colour.
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Ferrous salts have sometimes strange colours. For example ferrous molybdate is brown (but it is unstable and quickly decompose in to ferric molybdate
and molybdenum blue). But you a right that your precipitate look like ferric salt. But there is no red selenium present. Only one other product of
reduction of selenite, which comes to mind, is selenoselenate Se2O32- (or you can write it as
Se0SeIVO32-). But I really don't know if this is really reaction product. How filtrate look like? Fe(III)
forms with thiosulfate purple complex, I suspect something similar with selenoselenate.
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Quote: Originally posted by Bedlasky  | | Ferrous salts have sometimes strange colours. For example ferrous molybdate is brown (but it is unstable and quickly decompose in to ferric molybdate
and molybdenum blue). But you a right that your precipitate look like ferric salt. But there is no red selenium present. Only one other product of
reduction of selenite, which comes to mind, is selenoselenate Se2O32- (or you can write it as
Se0SeIVO32-). But I really don't know if this is really reaction product. How filtrate look like? Fe(III)
forms with thiosulfate purple complex, I suspect something similar with selenoselenate. |
Thank you for Interesting idea. Filtrate has yellowish colour, i think because of this insoluble compound particles, which penetrated filter paper.
Anyway now we know how the reaction is going.
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Thanks for sharing. It is a nice purple color. Looks similar to Cobalt phosphate, cobalt tungstate and cobalt molybdate. One of my favorite cobalt
compounds to make is cobalt ferrocyanide, it is quite a different color than most other cobalt compounds.
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| Quote: Originally posted by ChemTalk | | One of my favorite cobalt compounds to make is cobalt ferrocyanide, it is quite a different color than most other cobalt compounds.
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Kind of a blue-green color if I remember correctly, right? Definitely unusual for cobalt.
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| Quote: Originally posted by ChemTalk | Thanks for sharing. It is a nice purple color. Looks similar to Cobalt phosphate, cobalt tungstate and cobalt molybdate. One of my favorite cobalt
compounds to make is cobalt ferrocyanide, it is quite a different color than most other cobalt compounds.
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My cobalt tungstate has different colour. Thanks for new idea, i will make ferrocyanide, but tell me if it precipitated instantly or stay in
suspension like copper ferricyanide.
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Cobalt ferrocyanide precipitates pretty instantly from what I remember, similarly to Prussian Blue. It’s a very fine precipitate.
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Thanks i will try.
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Vano, I made a video for you on Cobalt Ferrocyanide and uploaded it to our youtube channel.
It was just going to be one short clip, then I realized I had a couple other clips, so I combined them. So it took longer than I thought, but that is
ok because it is one of my favorite compounds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MghE_Iyv9Bw
We are looking forward to see what further cobalt compounds you make!
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| Quote: Originally posted by ChemTalk | Vano, I made a video for you on Cobalt Ferrocyanide and uploaded it to our youtube channel.
It was just going to be one short clip, then I realized I had a couple other clips, so I combined them. So it took longer than I thought, but that is
ok because it is one of my favorite compounds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MghE_Iyv9Bw
We are looking forward to see what further cobalt compounds you make!
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For me? Oh thanks. I subscribed your chanel. It has really unusual colour. I will make it. Thanks again.
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Very nice and unusually colored compound. Good for chemical colection. This compound has black, but nice greenish colour. Wet salt has very different
colour.
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Oh, I'm really glad you made it. For me, the best part was seeing it settle in the test tube over a couple of days. The surface looked like an alien
ocean, reminded me of the movie Solaris. I haven't filtered mine yet. And thanks for subscribing to the channel!
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| Quote: Originally posted by ChemTalk | Oh, I'm really glad you made it. For me, the best part was seeing it settle in the test tube over a couple of days. The surface looked like an alien
ocean, reminded me of the movie Solaris. I haven't filtered mine yet. And thanks for subscribing to the channel!
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Thanks. Good luck!
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| Quote: Originally posted by Bedlasky | | Ferrous salts have sometimes strange colours. For example ferrous molybdate is brown (but it is unstable and quickly decompose in to ferric molybdate
and molybdenum blue). But you a right that your precipitate look like ferric salt. But there is no red selenium present. Only one other product of
reduction of selenite, which comes to mind, is selenoselenate Se2O32- (or you can write it as
Se0SeIVO32-). But I really don't know if this is really reaction product. How filtrate look like? Fe(III)
forms with thiosulfate purple complex, I suspect something similar with selenoselenate. |
I correct myself - I found that selenoselenate actually doesn't exist.
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