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[*] posted on 22-9-2022 at 10:21
OTC nitroethane source


Not cheap, but accessible. Solvent glue for acrylic glass. Also apparently DCM as solvent, which is good.

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[*] posted on 22-9-2022 at 18:59


Funny. Seller is located in Germany and does not ship to Germany a product of Germany.

Makes sense. Somehow.


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[*] posted on 23-9-2022 at 07:30


It's not solvent glue, it's glue. 1.2kg of it.



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[*] posted on 23-9-2022 at 12:09


According to the tech specs it's dicloromethane and nitroethane, solvent adhesive. Although I can't find any real SDS for it. It says "viscous" in the technical sheet, so possibly there's some polymer gunk in it too.
https://foiltek.fi/wp-content/uploads/391-46-ACRIFIX-1S-0126...

Here's the SDS for another solvent glue in their product line. At least it has another model number. Could be the same though: https://www.acrylite.co/files/content/acrylite.co/00-global/...
This is it: https://www.contra.com.pl/en/product/acrylic-glue-acrifix-1s...



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[*] posted on 24-9-2022 at 20:56


I'm thinking theoretically one could boil off the dichloromethane then vaccuum filter the gunk from the nitroethane followed by another distilllation for purification
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[*] posted on 25-9-2022 at 04:03


Quote: Originally posted by DocX  
. It says "viscous" in the technical sheet, so possibly there's some polymer gunk in it too.
https://foiltek.fi/wp-content/uploads/391-46-ACRIFIX-1S-0126...
[Edited on 20222222/9/23 by DocX]


It is glue after all... It may contain more than just a solvent especially if it "hardens" or "fills the gaps" as one can read in the description.




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[*] posted on 25-9-2022 at 07:49


Isn't it poly(methyl methacrylate) dissolved in solvent? You can also just use chloroform to glue plexiglass, but I can imagine a more viscous "glue" is easier to work with.

Es-drei sells nitroethane, I wouldn't be surprised when they turn out to be just as expensive as the glue (per ml of nitroethane)

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[*] posted on 26-9-2022 at 06:26


Be aware that some of those acryl solvents/glues are methacrylate and other solvents + stuff but some indeed are a high% nitroethane.
Check carefully before buying as its quite expensive.
Nitroethane is very good for gluing acrylate pieces but other solvents and mixes can be used too.
It seems the nitroethane based is the prefered by proffesionals but its clear they try replace it.
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[*] posted on 27-9-2022 at 13:06


Well, I did attach an SDS in my post, so we don't really need to guess now do we?
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[*] posted on 29-9-2022 at 18:56


Quote: Originally posted by DocX  
According to the tech specs it's dicloromethane and nitroethane, solvent adhesive. Although I can't find any real SDS for it. It says "viscous" in the technical sheet, so possibly there's some polymer gunk in it too.
https://foiltek.fi/wp-content/uploads/391-46-ACRIFIX-1S-0126...

Here's the SDS for another solvent glue in their product line. At least it has another model number. Could be the same though: https://www.acrylite.co/files/content/acrylite.co/00-global/...
This is it: https://www.contra.com.pl/en/product/acrylic-glue-acrifix-1s...


I don't think so... the MSDS says that has nitromethane, not nitroethane.


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[*] posted on 30-9-2022 at 01:15


Quote: Originally posted by SuperOxide  

I don't think so... the MSDS says that has nitromethane, not nitroethane.


So much fuss over just one letter :).

Seriously though: ouch. My bad. But that's great, then we have an OTC source for both reagents. I love it.

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[*] posted on 30-9-2022 at 06:02


The Europeans who are excluded from this offer can of course just go to nitrochemis.com and get this and more from Poland. Yeah, the shop looks hot as hell, nevertheless it is an actual legit polish business and plenty people buy there since ages without any problems. Expensive, but not more then the glue. They do not sell to US/CA/AU/NZ though.

How can this be? Simple: Polish legislators are fighting hard against the onslaught of woke and LGBT tendencies on their catholic Motherland by not implementing EU or other international regulations into polish law what affects all those regulations and sends many of them onto a long-winded journey of finding out if the regulation is compatible with the polish constitution.




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[*] posted on 30-9-2022 at 06:28


Quote: Originally posted by Organikum  
How can this be? Simple: Polish legislators are fighting hard against the onslaught of woke and LGBT tendencies .
Umm since when was restricting chemicals part of the LGBT agenda?

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[*] posted on 30-9-2022 at 09:05


I think that what Organikum is trying to say is that Polish anti-neoliberal attitudes have had a fortuitous consequence of rejecting overbearing "safety" legislation banning solvents and the like, since these regulations tend to be promulgated by the same politicians who advocate 'progressive' policy on race/gender/immigration. Something similar happened in the US where the Republicans became the main defenders of e-cigarettes, amid a generally unscientific push from the public-health NGO apparatus to ban all kinds of vaporizer products.

In other words, the "social left" has generally become much less synonymous with personal freedom than it once was. The "woke realignment" (because what else can it be called?) has made the politics of individual liberty much weirder than it was a decade ago. The implications for supporters of amateur chemistry are that we can't simply align with one faction or the other anymore.




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[*] posted on 30-9-2022 at 11:44


Poland is more Texas than California that's for sure if you allow me the analogy...
It's still a very catholic and conservative country in many aspects.
I remember a church in Wroclaw (Originally Breslau, birthplace of Fritz Haber!) with a stone carved "Christ on a cross DIY kit". Not meant as fun but as a "would you do it?"
Back in 2004 we were in a village for a festival. All dressed in black. All the town was chatting about "those Satanists" and a friend got hit on purpose by a grandmother with her basket !

Dont get me wrong, Poland is great. The issue several countries seem to have with Brussels is that it's eating up their sovereignty and in some cases values. Hungary is in this last case even more vocal than Poland.

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[*] posted on 30-9-2022 at 13:15


And we are talking about politics, yeah!
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[*] posted on 30-9-2022 at 13:25


Quote: Originally posted by DocX  
Quote: Originally posted by SuperOxide  

I don't think so... the MSDS says that has nitromethane, not nitroethane.


So much fuss over just one letter :).

Seriously though: ouch. My bad. But that's great, then we have an OTC source for both reagents. I love it.



Yeah, that one letter does make a difference, lol.

But how do you know the product in the original post has nitroethane in it? I didn't see it in the MSDS... Maybe I'm blind, can you tell me where you see it?
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[*] posted on 30-9-2022 at 15:19


Quote: Originally posted by Tsjerk  
And we are talking about politics, yeah!


Shh, it's to avoid the embarassment of saying that none of us properly read the msds :)

At least *that* was fun !




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[*] posted on 30-9-2022 at 23:12


Quote: Originally posted by SuperOxide  



Yeah, that one letter does make a difference, lol.

But how do you know the product in the original post has nitroethane in it? I didn't see it in the MSDS... Maybe I'm blind, can you tell me where you see it?


In the Technical Sheet: https://foiltek.fi/wp-content/uploads/391-46-ACRIFIX-1S-0126...

I can't find an SDS for it though.
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[*] posted on 30-9-2022 at 23:15


The problem with Nitrochemis is that they send their packages with a nice, colourful jolly little label saying "NITROCHEMIS/NITROETHANE" on it ...
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[*] posted on 1-10-2022 at 00:08


Quote: Originally posted by DocX  
The problem with Nitrochemis is that they send their packages with a nice, colourful jolly little label saying "NITROCHEMIS/NITROETHANE" on it ...

Seriously? On the outside? And on the package with Phenyl-2-Nitropropene it is "NITROCHEMIS/P2NP" ?

Well one can always ask them nicely not to do this I suppose and Nitroethane is not illegal to order or to own, it is mostly the shops selling it authorities want gone but as it is not illegal new ones pop up every now and then like it was with this "nail polish remover" or such some years ago.

And such a label is still better then the spice shop who sells Potassium Nitrate by the kg on German Amazon and who reports every sale directly to the police who then shows up at the buyers door wanting to know where it is and what it is intended for.
But selling on Amazon where now even Acetone is gone - no problem.




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[*] posted on 1-10-2022 at 16:28


Quote: Originally posted by DocX  
Quote: Originally posted by SuperOxide  



Yeah, that one letter does make a difference, lol.

But how do you know the product in the original post has nitroethane in it? I didn't see it in the MSDS... Maybe I'm blind, can you tell me where you see it?


In the Technical Sheet: https://foiltek.fi/wp-content/uploads/391-46-ACRIFIX-1S-0126...

I can't find an SDS for it though.

Ahh I see now. Silly me tried to ctrl+f "nitroethane", but that didn't work.

I messaged the seller asking if they have an SDS available.

Quote: Originally posted by DocX  
The problem with Nitrochemis is that they send their packages with a nice, colourful jolly little label saying "NITROCHEMIS/NITROETHANE" on it ...

Im a little doubtful of this. That seems absurd.

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[*] posted on 2-10-2022 at 02:46


Quote: Originally posted by SuperOxide  

Quote: Originally posted by DocX  
The problem with Nitrochemis is that they send their packages with a nice, colourful jolly little label saying "NITROCHEMIS/NITROETHANE" on it ...

Im a little doubtful of this. That seems absurd.

[Edited on 2-10-2022 by SuperOxide]


To be honest, it's second-hand information. But I've heard it from two separate sources and they have no reason to lie. I tried emailing Nitrochemis about it but they never replied. I can try to get a picture of the label.
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[*] posted on 2-10-2022 at 21:43


Quote: Originally posted by SuperOxide  
That seems absurd.

[Edited on 2-10-2022 by SuperOxide]


Well, absurd it is. Feast your eyes on this beautiful envelope of P2NP:



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[*] posted on 3-10-2022 at 08:19


Quote: Originally posted by DocX  
Quote: Originally posted by SuperOxide  
That seems absurd.

[Edited on 2-10-2022 by SuperOxide]


Well, absurd it is. Feast your eyes on this beautiful envelope of P2NP:


Holy crap... What country are you in? And what country did that come from?
I've never seen that. Seems pretty nuts to me. lol

Edit: It looks like you got that from here: https://nitrochemis.com/ which is a Polisy company. Their website sells a lot of P2NP related stuff.. maybe that's why they had to do it? I doubt that kinda labeling is enforced or common though.

[Edited on 3-10-2022 by SuperOxide]
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