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[*] posted on 13-5-2025 at 07:28
Aryl halides to phenols


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aryl sulphonates can be transformed to aryl phenols using alkaline fusion at 250 °C. Can the same be done from aryl halides, producing phenol(ate) and sodium/potassium salts?

If not, what would be the best way to go from aryl halide to phenol?
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[*] posted on 13-5-2025 at 09:03


The reaction you're describing is the Dow Process.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dow_process_(phenol)

I found some other syntheses of phenol and derivatives here.
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[*] posted on 13-5-2025 at 10:24


For substitutions of aryl halides (except fluorides) the first thing to consider is always some kind of copper catalyst. Only bother thinking about other options if that isn't possible for some reason.

For the hydrolysis of aryl sulfonates I am pretty sure that nucleophilic attack actually happens at sulfur rather than carbon but you may find a radiolabelling study that proves me wrong. So in this case there is no catalyst.




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[*] posted on 13-5-2025 at 12:04


Thanks to both.

Copper oxide with excess of copper (II) nitrate works for diazonium salts → phenol, but what would you suggest for halides?

The idea here is a fancy way to m-cresol. Toluene → p-nitrosotoluene → p-toluidine → p-toluidide → 3-bromo-4-toluidide → 3-bromo-4-toluidine → m-bromotoluene → m-cresol.

Vogel details a way to ‘deaminate’ an aryl compound using diazotisation followed by some sort of reaction involving copper (0) powder that can be conveniently made by reducing copper (II) sulphate with ascorbic acid.
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[*] posted on 13-5-2025 at 13:53


I was always taught that Grignards will react with dry oxygen to give oxides that hydrolyze to alcohols, but I'm not sure it's synthetically useful.



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[*] posted on 13-5-2025 at 22:24


Reaction of Grignard reagents with a source of hypochlorite may be a more synthetically viable version of this.
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[*] posted on 14-5-2025 at 00:31


Quote: Originally posted by Niklas  
Reaction of Grignard reagents with a source of hypochlorite may be a more synthetically viable version of this.


Finding a dry source of hypo halides might be somewhat difficult?
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[*] posted on 14-5-2025 at 02:18


Calcium hypochlorite could work, no?
Chlorite may potentially also work, sodium chlorite is easily available because of its use for MMS.
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[*] posted on 14-5-2025 at 06:30


Quote: Originally posted by Keras  
Thanks to both.

Copper oxide with excess of copper (II) nitrate works for diazonium salts → phenol, but what would you suggest for halides?
https://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jo400702z



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[*] posted on 14-5-2025 at 06:46


Thanks!
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