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shocked.gif posted on 7-3-2004 at 11:46
I filled my garage with SO2!(Now I am sick)


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I now think the gas was SO<sub>2</sub>! I was exposed to it on Sunday and today is Wednesday. I have a cough that is worse in the morning. I guess that H2SO4 was formed in my lungs. My lungs do not hurt and I feel fine besides the coughing witch does not hurt but is annoying. Are my lungs being destroyed even now or is this something I will recover from in a few weeks?

Anyone experiance this and if so what happened? Did you recover?






I mixed some H2SO4 with steel wool in a pan and some H2SO4 in a diffrent pan with some Al ground up in my blender. I then left it for about 1.5 hours. When I came back the garage was filled with a whitish gas and smelled like rotten eggs. I dumped the pans out in the woods and fanned the gas out with a large card board box as a 'wind maker'.

I feel really really fucking stupid!!! I was trying to make FeSO4 and AlSO4. I have a powerfull blower; should I wait for the gas to leave the garage through the large car door(overhead door) and then try to blow the rest outside?

God Damn I feel stupid; this gives me a much greater respect for chemicals.


EDIT: I was able to smell it the whole time and I do not feel bad like the MSDS decribes. My main worrys are the people around us may smell it and get mad.

[Edited on 7-3-2004 by Quantum]:(

[Edited on 11-3-2004 by Quantum]




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[*] posted on 7-3-2004 at 13:03


ahahah
Nice going. Yeah, I'd let that baby air out a bit and then go in wavering your cardboard box like a madman.




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[*] posted on 7-3-2004 at 13:49


Sounds like a fun afternoon for Samosa... However, I don't understand how the H2S was formed. Did the steel wool reduce the Sulphuric Acid?? Was any heating involved? Looks like I might have to try this one for kicks.
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[*] posted on 7-3-2004 at 14:52


Im not 100% sure it was H2S but it smelled like rotten eggs. Hours later I feel fine but have come away with a new respect for chemicals.

BTW My H2SO4+Al to get AlSO4 did not work :(




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[*] posted on 7-3-2004 at 22:39


<b>SO<sub>2</sub></b><br><br>when using conc SA the metal reduces the acid to SO2 (maybe via decomposition of sulfurous acid) it fastly leaves the reaction vessel hence it can not be further reduced ...



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[*] posted on 8-3-2004 at 09:28


I remember once when I stuck a stainless steel knife in H2SO4, it also gave off H2S :o

Btw, what does SO2 smell like?
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[*] posted on 8-3-2004 at 13:39


I could be wrong it may be SO<sub>2</sub> It filled the garage with a whitish fumes so it may have been SO<sub>2</sub>. In fact boiling that same SA made fumes like the ones in my garage so I am now convinced they were SO<sub>2</sub>! I guess I paniced and imagined the smell of eggs.



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[*] posted on 8-3-2004 at 13:51


Imagined the smell of rotten eggs?

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SO2 smells pretty bad also. I can't quite put my finger on the smell of it, but it is familiar.




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[*] posted on 8-3-2004 at 15:45


To me it kinda smells like burnt rubber or burnt matches. These are probably a mix of both SO2 and H2S, along with a few other things, but it destinctly reminds me of it. It any case it's not pleasant.
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[*] posted on 8-3-2004 at 15:55


I once took about some lithium/sulfur dioxide batteries. The thing that I noticed most about the SO2 is the terrible coughs that it illicited from me. Of couse I'm going to say it smelled like burnt sulfur (duh), but it had that metallic twang, probably just the SO2 reacting with the water in my mouth. There was also some deeper component to the smell I just can't name, us chemists need to come up with our own terminology for smells, that sense is by far the most neglected of all in terms of descriptive terminology.



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[*] posted on 9-3-2004 at 01:51


Hmmm... Maybe for all the strange times I somehow managed to have H2S resembling gases produced (like the knife in H2SO4), I was really smelling SO2..... But then, it didnt make me cough or feel any pain.

Is it just me, or does H2S mess with your mind? Im always drawn into a confused state and start trying to figure out if Im imagining it whenever I smell it :o

EDIT: I am contemplating opening some lithium batteries to try to obtain some metallic lithium this summer. Sounds kinda suicidal since they can blow up in your hands, but Im sure it's nothing compared to some things you guys do :D

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[*] posted on 10-3-2004 at 19:07


Bump! My cough is still here(see the first post I edited it)



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[*] posted on 10-3-2004 at 21:44


Well, you've inhaled SO2, and you've damaged your lungs slightly. Unless you had a massive exposure (and it doesn't sound like it), they should recover.
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[*] posted on 10-3-2004 at 23:11


.....the whitish gas will be a SO2/water mist (very sharp twangy acidic smell)..... and yeah its pretty harmless....

Bear in mind though that H2S (rotten eggs) is VERY toxic... about as toxic, gram for gram, as cyanide. H2S is toxic at levels where it cant be smelt.....plus you become habitualised to it quite easily (after a while you cant smell it!) and i would give it a wide berth. As for feeling sick....ive never heard of any long term effect from either of the above.... the effects are accute, but after theyve gone, in a day or 2... youll b fine!
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[*] posted on 11-3-2004 at 17:27


ha ha you goof ball. You should go buy a respirator. I don't understand how you could withstand the imediate respiratory discomfort in a room full of SOx. Just inhaling a couple of puffs of that stuff drives me nuts. let alone standing in a room full of it trying to air it out with a piece of card board :cool: I have found that if you open a couple doors SOx disipates quite fast. I guess I compare this to my pot smoking days when that skunk smell would linger for hours. Anyway opening a couple of doors should be plenty to air out your garage. Thats what I do when I fill my garage with SOx. Last time I filled my garage with SOx I went out there with my gas mask and my flash light turned the lights off in my garage and was playing navy seal.



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[*] posted on 12-3-2004 at 10:51
I totally understand


Hey all...been a while! I also had a nice run in with SO2 on wednesday night. I was outside for the entire hydroxylamine hydrochloride synthesis which went PERFECTLY on the first try!! That was mildly awesome.

Anyway, my gas generator consisted of sodium bisulfite solution and a dropping funnel of HCl. During clean up I ended up pouring the residue mix into a metal bucket of ash (my burning barrel) so it would neutralize the mix and reder it harmless to the environment. There was of course some remaining acid solution in the flask.

I stupidly thought...oh hell, its such a small amount that I can bring this inside and rinse it. I was surprised when right after I had placed it in the water, I was hit with more SO2 than expected.

I don't know...maybe Im blowing this out of proportion but I literally could not breath more than a couple hundered mls of air at one time. My trachea basically went into asthma attack mode. This coupled with intense coughing (with production) got me very afraid about asphyxiating right there on my floor.

I had some albuterol on hand....it didn't do much initially but I eventually made a full recovery in about an hour or two and went to bed. By far, this was one of the worst chem accidents I've had. There wasn't actually that much SO2 it was just that I had placed my head about 2 feet from the evolving cloud so it must have been fairly concentrated. The house aired out in no time with the doors open.

Take care yall! And watch out for SO2!!! Hahahaha.
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[*] posted on 12-3-2004 at 11:52


I won't tell how, because it's too embarassing, but I once filled my entire flat with SO2. Apart from some coughing for a couple of hours, I felt fine afterwards. If it had been SO<b>3</b> on the other hand....

Neither my at the time sleeping girlfriend (who I awoke in panic since she's an asthmatic) nor my pet felt any ill effects afterwards. But then I was the one running around opening windows, trying to hold my breath, panicking.....




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[*] posted on 13-3-2004 at 07:25


If you got exposed to the gas on Sunday and didn't feel bad on Mon or Tue then any cough on Wednesday is probably just a coincidence.
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[*] posted on 13-3-2004 at 17:46


Agreed. SO2 isn't really poisonous, only an irritant. (Although I'll probably be lectured by my dear friend Marvin now.)



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[*] posted on 14-3-2004 at 15:22


Irritant in the sense that 1000 ppm will kill people in 10 min and 3000 ppm will do the same but only take 5 min to do it.
Not poisonous in the sense that Sax's dangerous properties of industrial materials gives, as the first sentence of its safety profile of SO2 "A poison gas".:o
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[*] posted on 15-3-2004 at 06:10


Interesting. Wonder how I survived.



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[*] posted on 15-3-2004 at 10:22


axehandle, you probably didnt experience more than 10 ppm, 1000 ppm is a LOT!

http://www.ccohs.ca/oshanswers/chemicals/chem_profiles/sulfu...

or a more thourough compilation:
http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/toxprofiles/tp116.html

please read up on the toxic chemicals you use...

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[*] posted on 15-3-2004 at 13:48


Yeah, there was probably not more than 100ppm in the flat, given the amount of FeSO4 I heated. Besides, I seem to have superhuman lungs. But I've become very careful, I'm even considering buying a military gas mask.



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