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Melamine itself has solubility issues in water, so a salt would be needed, and I don’t know how prone such a salt would be to hydrolysis. I don’t
have any melamine, but I do have some acetoguanamine, so I might try to mess with that and see if anything promising is yielded.
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Thanks for the idea. Ligand replacement is a real breakthrough in the synthesis of metal complexes. It works!
I successfully prepared copper-bis(4-amino-1,2,4-triazole) perchlorate from [Cu(NH3)4](ClO4)2 by reaction:
[Cu(NH3)4](ClO4)2+2ATrz=>[Cu(ATrz)2](ClO4)2+4NH3
[Cu(NH3)4](ClO4)2 was dissolved in hot water, ATrz was added, then the water is depressed with a hair dryer. Dirty blue powder has formed.
I cannot call the [Cu(NH3)4](ClO4)2 a primary explosive. But despite the poor oxygen balance ATrz complex without a shell in an amount of 50-100 mg
burns a very sharp bright flash. I think, placed in the shell is quite suitable.
The substance is not sensitive to friction. 10-20 mg placed in foil burns sharply when heated, but detonates when hit with a hammer on a steel plate.
upd 50mg dried subs detonated without shall!
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[Ni(4-aminotriazole)3](ClO4)2 was obtained in the same way. As you said, it does not detonate without a shell, but 30-50 mg in foil detonate when
heated.
How about [Cu(Diaminourea)2](ClO4)2 and [Ni(Diaminourea)3](ClO4)2? Is it stable with long storage? Is it oxidized by oxygen of air? Hydrolysis?
[Cu(aminourea)2](ClO4)2 and [Ni(aminourea)3](ClO4)2?
Is there a way to make [Cu(aminourea)2](ClO4)2 and [Ni(aminourea)3](ClO4)2 from Semicarbazide Hydrochloride?
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Carbohydrazide (1,3-diaminourea) can be prepared by amination of Semicarbazide with Hydrazine or just by amination of urea with a large excess of
hydrazine. These amination reactions though, can be complex and will result in aqueous mixtures of Urea, Semicarbazide, Carbohydrazide, and
Hydrazodicarbonamide. If you want a source for Carbohydrazide, pyrohobby.ru might still have some for sale, but they have a horrible payment system
that isn’t secure at all.
trisCarbohydrazide Nickel diPerchlorate (NiCP) apparently works as a decent primary (and is likely stable enough in storage) to function in detonators
as mentioned in some Chinese patents, but at least the trisCHLORATE (NiCC) analogue is also a strong performer; see thread: http://www.sciencemadness.org/talk/viewthread.php?tid=159732
The Cu complex may work as well, though I have no idea and don’t plan to test it. Carbohydrazide is a pain to try to make, at least for me.
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Thanks. I understand correctly that carbohydrazide (diaminourea) is more stable than semicarbazide (aminourea)?
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Chemically, Semicarbazide is more stable. The hydrazine bond is less stable than the simple amide. But, Carbohydrazide will of course be better as a
fuel, due to the higher energy of the 2 N-N bonds.
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Quote: Originally posted by dettoo456  | Chemically, Semicarbazide is more stable. The hydrazine bond is less stable than the simple amide. But, Carbohydrazide will of course be better as a
fuel, due to the higher energy of the 2 N-N bonds.
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It seems strange to me that carbohydrazide is sold in free form, but semicarbazid is sold only in the form of hydrochloride.
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Both exist as solids at STP, but Semicarbazide is likely just too hygroscopic and basic, so it’d form hydrated solutions and/or carbonates. Same as
Aminoguanidine and guanidine.
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What is the solubility of copper glycinate-perchlorate?
How fast is its DDT? Is it detonate unconfined or only in a strong metal shell?
I tried to prepare copper glycinate-perchlorate with electrolysis of the equimolar mixture of glycine and NH4ClO4 until hydrogen stopped released.
Then I filled the solution from copper powder, flawed it and dried. Blue non-crystall powder formed, which is not detonate without confined. However,
it burns better than copper tetraammine perchlorate.
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| Quote: Originally posted by snooby | Okay guys,
ICM 103 is something nobody of us would like to try out. The pyrazole stuff seems inpossible to get hands on. However, I can buy IT and ship it around
the world. Price is around 1000 dollars for 500 grams (WTF). And if I lower the price would increase (50 grams are 380 dollars). So, are there 3 or 2
other guys/girls who would like to share the costs? Price would be around 200 dollars for 100 grams. That's a LIFE supply. I AM willing to receiver
the order and ship IT around our globe. Sent me an PM if you would like to join. Only first 3 guys can get involved.
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Hope this is still relavent to the thread, but it appears there is a decent place to get a precursor for this at chem impex for less than $100 for 100g.
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I hate to rain on your parade but there are far cheaper, easier to mfg, less toxic, and better performing EMs out there compared to this esoteric
primary; AgNTz, BNCP, DBX-1, or even micronized PETN/C. Most of the ‘next-gen’ EMs are just thought up and pushed by military contractors to win
outrageously expensive contracts for the way too expensive compounds they plan to make.
I.E., LLM-105 is nothing special in terms of performance, sensitivity or environmental safety, and yet is somehow being made in bulk because a company
convinced a general somewhere that it’s God’s gift to man - even though they’ll require $1000s in taxpayer dollars to produce something like 90g
for a hand grenade. Same issue with Cl-20.
If this precursor was some obscure phenethylamine or indole that’d produce a highly active serotonin moderator  , then maybe that ‘investment’ would be worth it.
Also, Chemimpex along with companies like Chemdirect only ship to commercial addresses - and that’s almost universal for all chem suppliers
nowadays.
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Yep, you're right. I only focused on the pricing and not the delivery requirement. I have had a few companies allow me to use "Individual" for the
company, but you're probably right in this not being one of them.
I will try with something innocuous, but yeah, I was too money focused on that.
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I was able to get some personal chemical orders shipped to my work’s building from chemimpex, chemdirect, and thermo, and you might have luck with
that too depending on your job, but you’d need to sort it all out beforehand of course (billing and end-use auth).
Good luck with whatever EM research or precursor procurement you’re looking into though
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| Quote: Originally posted by Microtek |
The cobalt complex seems to be very insoluble, and gave a high yield of very fine cream precipitate. I did a second run with slow addition of the
cobalt ions to a hot, stirred solution of ATrz and NaClO4, and cooled slowly with continued stirring, and this gave a slightly more coarse powder that
could more easily be filtered. I ran it through the plate dent test after discovering that I could not set it off by mechanical stimulus, either by
manual hammer blows on my anvil, or by the oblique abrasive pendulum impact test at 5.5 J (the highest setting of my apparatus). In the plate dent
test, it performed disappointingly - somewhere in the vicinity of TNT, possibly due to a surprisingly low density of 1.58 g/cc.
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Hmm, Co(II) or Co(III) ?
Co(II)- 4-ATRz-ClO4 complex may be very powerful.
CoCO3+2HClO4=>Co(ClO4)2+CO2
Co(ClO4)2+NH4ClO4+NH3(excess)+H2O2=>[Co(NH3)6](ClO4)3 red solution
[Co(NH3)6](ClO4)3+3 (4-ATrz)=(boiling?)=>[Co(4-ATRz)3](ClO4)3
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| Quote: Originally posted by Etanol | | Quote: Originally posted by Microtek |
The cobalt complex seems to be very insoluble, and gave a high yield of very fine cream precipitate. I did a second run with slow addition of the
cobalt ions to a hot, stirred solution of ATrz and NaClO4, and cooled slowly with continued stirring, and this gave a slightly more coarse powder that
could more easily be filtered. I ran it through the plate dent test after discovering that I could not set it off by mechanical stimulus, either by
manual hammer blows on my anvil, or by the oblique abrasive pendulum impact test at 5.5 J (the highest setting of my apparatus). In the plate dent
test, it performed disappointingly - somewhere in the vicinity of TNT, possibly due to a surprisingly low density of 1.58 g/cc.
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Hmm, Co(II) or Co(III) ?
Co(II)- 4-ATRz-ClO4 complex may be very powerful.
CoCO3+2HClO4=>Co(ClO4)2+CO2
Co(ClO4)2+NH4ClO4+NH3(excess)+H2O2=>[Co(NH3)6](ClO4)3 red solution
[Co(NH3)6](ClO4)3+3 (4-ATrz)=(boiling?)=>[Co(4-ATRz)3](ClO4)3
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The subs is a dark-red resin or red-brown grains that easily melt into red resin. When cooling, the resin turns into a red vitreous mass. The
substance is poorly soluble in cold water and insoluble in isopropyl alcohol.
It is difficult to ignite. Unconfined, it melts first, then burns with flashes and burns out. The melting temperature is lower than the decomposition
temperature.
Unconfined, being heated on a metal foil, it melts, then burns with a flash.
Approximately 20-30 mg, confined into aluminum foil, strong detonate when heated.
In my opinion, this is powerful, but unsuitable subs.
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| Quote: Originally posted by Etanol | | Quote: Originally posted by Etanol | | Quote: Originally posted by Microtek |
The cobalt complex seems to be very insoluble, and gave a high yield of very fine cream precipitate. I did a second run with slow addition of the
cobalt ions to a hot, stirred solution of ATrz and NaClO4, and cooled slowly with continued stirring, and this gave a slightly more coarse powder that
could more easily be filtered. I ran it through the plate dent test after discovering that I could not set it off by mechanical stimulus, either by
manual hammer blows on my anvil, or by the oblique abrasive pendulum impact test at 5.5 J (the highest setting of my apparatus). In the plate dent
test, it performed disappointingly - somewhere in the vicinity of TNT, possibly due to a surprisingly low density of 1.58 g/cc.
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Hmm, Co(II) or Co(III) ?
Co(II)- 4-ATRz-ClO4 complex may be very powerful.
CoCO3+2HClO4=>Co(ClO4)2+CO2
Co(ClO4)2+NH4ClO4+NH3(excess)+H2O2=>[Co(NH3)6](ClO4)3 red solution
[Co(NH3)6](ClO4)3+3 (4-ATrz)=(boiling?)=>[Co(4-ATRz)3](ClO4)3
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The subs is a dark-red resin or red-brown grains that easily melt into red resin. When cooling, the resin turns into a red vitreous mass. The
substance is poorly soluble in cold water and insoluble in isopropyl alcohol.
It is difficult to ignite. Unconfined, it melts first, then burns with flashes and burns out. The melting temperature is lower than the decomposition
temperature.
Unconfined, being heated on a metal foil, it melts, then burns with a flash.
Approximately 20-30 mg, confined into aluminum foil, strong detonate when heated.
In my opinion, this is powerful, but unsuitable subs. |
Compared to what? If it is safe and powerful enough to initiate why are you disappointed?
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