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[*] posted on 1-8-2012 at 18:31


Of all the stuff talked about on this forum, why are my ideas dangerous?
Alright then, I will just work with safe and stable chemicals like ethyl perchlorate, and nitrogen trichloride and binaries like white phosphorus and potassium chlorate.
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[*] posted on 1-8-2012 at 19:43


Ethyl perchlorate is about drop amounts, same as chlorate/phosphorus. Sprengel explosives are about hundreds of milliliters. I already took some rfna in the face after mixing toluene/NA
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[*] posted on 2-8-2012 at 06:29


But why does hissing noise call my ideas "hair brain "?
On this forum a lot of people talk about N2O4, birkland-eyed, calcium nitrate, glycerine and nitro glycerine, but when I talk about it is "hair brain "
I do not claim any of my ideas will work, they are just thoughts.
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[*] posted on 2-8-2012 at 13:54


It has less to do with the idea itself and more to do with you not showing a deep enough understanding of chemistry and explosives... He's trying to protect all of us from further restriction caused by people accidentally hurting themselves.

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I like simplicity, and it doesn't get any simpler than this:
Using a neon sign or TV flyback transformer to power an apparatus as shown here: http://www.google.com/patents?id=BjowAAAAEBAJ&pg=PA7&...

Then run the output of the above in to this http://iopscience.iop.org/0022-3727/32/10/310 which is also powered by the same transformer.

Bubble the output of that in to a substance of your choice and after a while you'll have a nice high purity nitrated product. N2O5 is about the best nitration agent known...

Also, if you do want NO2 it can be absorbed by silica gel, definitely easier than polyethylene glycol sorbent.

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[*] posted on 4-8-2012 at 18:22


That information on that process is much appreciated. It is the kind of stuff I love to read about. That is nitrating using only air as the raw material. Now this is a step better than birkland-eyed. You say it is the best nitrating agent known, I am getting excited from this idea. Now comes the testing phase, if anyone can actually get this idea to work, be sure to post it.
I have been very disappointed from ideas that sound good. Phosphorus is s good example, all I would need is bone ash charcoal and sand, but after reading 35 pages about phosphorus on this forum, I sadly gave up on that seemingly simple idea.
Is there ever a chemical project that is as easy to perform as it looks on paper?
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[*] posted on 4-8-2012 at 22:26


RDX preparation is brutally simple. I don't know how the f*ck you make N2O5 from air and isolate it in pure form... But there is NO2 nitration. First example I remember is for toluene. It's supposed to work but gives a lot of crap(isomers, decomposition product, unstable stuff I guess) along with the product.
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[*] posted on 5-8-2012 at 15:30


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I do not claim any of my ideas will work, they are just thoughts.


Oh well, that's alright then...
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[*] posted on 5-8-2012 at 15:50


How will I know if an idea will work if I have not tried it.
I like to post an idea on here before I try it, because someone might be able to tell why it won't work before I spend time and money on it. If I do test an idea I will post the results if it is informative, unless I think nobody cares.
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[*] posted on 5-8-2012 at 18:36


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I don't know how the f*ck you make N2O5 from air and isolate it in pure form.


No need to isolate it. Just mix a stream of O3 and a stream of NO2... Bubble that through the substrate, or absorb it into cold DCM and then add substrate. Simple as that. You can also bubble O3 into a solution of the substrate and NO2. Google ozone nitration.





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[*] posted on 5-8-2012 at 20:36


After air goes through these electrical devices, I would think that the percentage of NO2/O3/N2O5 would be small. Could air that has 50 ppm of NO2, O3 and N2O5. actually nitrate something? Isn't that way to diluted? I know that there is no water in it, so that's a plus. If I pump this N2O5 enriched air through a glass tube with a cotton ball in the tube, eventually it would make nitrocellulose?
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[*] posted on 6-8-2012 at 07:58


Turn your garage into a mad scientist layer, pay gigantic electric bills and at the end of the month be proud with a bunch of semi nitrated, unstable cotton balls :D I'd rather do chlorate.
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[*] posted on 10-8-2012 at 21:14


don't trust that boson moson stuff, its obviously fake
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fp4OavM8nAk&feature=relmf...
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[*] posted on 12-1-2013 at 00:29


I read somewhere that nitric acid/nitromethane in a 38/62 ratio has a detonation velocity of 6660 m/sec.
I really wonder about the reactivity of such a mixture, I am presuming it is detonated soon after being mixed.
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[*] posted on 12-1-2013 at 08:38


Anhydrous nitric with NM will give energy and velocity similar to NG obviously.
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[*] posted on 12-1-2013 at 14:37


Quote: Originally posted by Ral123  
Anhydrous nitric with NM will give energy and velocity similar to NG obviously.

Not quite. The density of NG is a bit higher.
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[*] posted on 6-7-2013 at 13:45


Today I tested one cool thermobaric sprengel explosive :) A mixture of nitromethane / aluminum and here is the video of the test:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCcH8pmXShw
Ratios were 70:30 and after the blast was felt hot blow wave.
Detonator was 1.5g Pyroxylin initiated with 0.15g Pb(N3)2

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