hjhearle
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Licensing?
A few days ago I got a message from a guy asking me to make him some sodium nitrite reagent for some unknown cause. He was willing to pay me for
whatever it took to synthesise. Is this actually legal or do you need a license to commercially produce chemicals for people? Seeing as I'm only a
school pupil in my final year I would presume it's unlawful to do so? 
HH
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tetrahedron
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it might be illegal to sell certain poisons without a permit. also you'll need to comply with health/environment protection regulations.
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I don't know if that is considered "commercial production". It's not a controlled substance as far as I know but things may be different in your
country. You could be held responsible in some way if some injury or damages result from his use of the product you sold him.
Depends on the intended use also... If he wants it for harmless chemistry experiments I wouldn't worry much. But if he wants a kilo or two with the
intention to make alkyl nitrites (poppers) to sell to people... That might be a different story.
Can he not buy it from a chemical supplier or eBay?
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plastics
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Why bother? Why doesn't he just buy it off ebay?
This guy seems to have the stuff coming out of his ears
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/500g-Sodium-nitrite-high-quality-/...
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tetrahedron
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a simple google search for 'sale of poisons site:uk' can be very informative:
1. Sale of poisons
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3. Poisons Act 1972:
| Quote: | Regulation of sale of poisons.
(1)Subject to the provisions of this Act, it shall not be lawful—
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(b)for a person to sell any non-medicinal poison which is a substance included in Part II of the Poisons List, unless—
(i)he is a person lawfully conducting a retail pharmacy business and the sale is effected on premises which are a registered pharmacy, or
(ii)his name is entered in a local authority’s list in respect of the premises on which the poison is sold;
(c)for a person to sell any non-medicinal poison, whether it is a substance included in Part I or in Part II of the Poisons List, unless the container
of the poison is labelled in the prescribed manner—
(i)with the name of the poison, and
(ii)in the case of a preparation which contains a poison as one of its ingredients, with the prescribed particulars as to the proportion which the
poison contained in the preparation bears to the total ingredients, and
(iii)with the word “poison” or other prescribed indication of the character of the article, and
(iv)with the name of the seller of the poison and the address of the premises on which it is sold. |
4. Poisons List Order 1982:
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Potassium hydroxide
Sodium hydroxide
Sodium nitrite
Sulphuric acid
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in other parts of europe the regulations might vary, but from 5% concentration NaNO2 and KNO2 are classified as toxic.
note that oxalic acid can only be sold by a pharmacist are these lists up to
date?
[Edited on 8-11-2012 by tetrahedron]
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it might not be legal but at least you'll show him you put your money where your mouth is. i bet there are chemists and doctors out there claiming all
sorts of know how and are just a bunch of tinkerers.he might trust you more than anyone he knows or maybe also he wants to set you up but he is
contracting you to manufacture also. i guess sometimes its better to be called a quack by a shyster because nothing will be lost than to be called a
pro by a district attorney in some court.tough call aint it?
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hjhearle
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yeah I did a chemspider search for the hazards and it said it was toxic, causes CNS injury etc. so yeah think I'll pass on that one! 
The guy probably could get it from other sources or direct from a supplier like Alfa Aesar or summat...... mind you, does sound good if he's willing
to pay but I think I'll stay out of this one! Thanks guys 
HH
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cal
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Sodium Nitrate
SODIUM NITRATE IS AVAILABLE AS A FERTILIZER AT HOME AND GARDEN STORES. THAT IS WHERE I BUY IT.
[Edited on 9-11-2012 by ScienceSquirrel]
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tetrahedron
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this is for alkyl nitrites..did you get the right one?
a way out would be you order it for him (e.g. from that ebay seller) and charge him for the service =D
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Quote: Originally posted by cal  |
SODIUM NITRATE IS AVAILABLE AS A FERTILIZER AT HOME AND GARDEN STORES. THAT IS WHERE I BUY IT.
There is a difference between sodium nitrate and sodium nitrite.
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| Quote: Originally posted by tetrahedron | a simple google search for 'sale of poisons site:uk' can be very informative:
1. Sale of poisons
2.
3. Poisons Act 1972:
| Quote: | Regulation of sale of poisons.
(1)Subject to the provisions of this Act, it shall not be lawful—
...
(b)for a person to sell any non-medicinal poison which is a substance included in Part II of the Poisons List, unless—
(i)he is a person lawfully conducting a retail pharmacy business and the sale is effected on premises which are a registered pharmacy, or
(ii)his name is entered in a local authority’s list in respect of the premises on which the poison is sold;
(c)for a person to sell any non-medicinal poison, whether it is a substance included in Part I or in Part II of the Poisons List, unless the container
of the poison is labelled in the prescribed manner—
(i)with the name of the poison, and
(ii)in the case of a preparation which contains a poison as one of its ingredients, with the prescribed particulars as to the proportion which the
poison contained in the preparation bears to the total ingredients, and
(iii)with the word “poison” or other prescribed indication of the character of the article, and
(iv)with the name of the seller of the poison and the address of the premises on which it is sold. |
4. Poisons List Order 1982:
| Quote: | ...
Potassium hydroxide
Sodium hydroxide
Sodium nitrite
Sulphuric acid
... |
in other parts of europe the regulations might vary, but from 5% concentration NaNO2 and KNO2 are classified as toxic.
note that oxalic acid can only be sold by a pharmacist are these lists up to
date?
[Edited on 8-11-2012 by tetrahedron] |
I suspect that the Part II list might be widely ignored.
Hydrochloric and sulphuric acids, sodium hydroxide, etc are widely available at hardware stores, potassium hydroxide is traded in kilo quantities for
biodiesel manufacture.
Phosphoric acid is used for yeast washing in brewing, pH adjustment in hydroponics.
Formalin is used by Koi keepers.
Local authorities in Britain are overworked and facing big cut backs. I doubt any of them have the resources to maintain this list.
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Had the same a few days ago. Though I get randoms asking me to source all sorts..
All that glitters isn't gold.
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hjhearle
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yeah thats exactly what I got from the same guy asking for it. He offered to pay me too
Starting to wonder whether its a prank or what? What would he use it for?
HH
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tetrahedron
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probably for curing meat =D
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^what tetrahedron said, or more likely, he wants to make isopropyl nitrite occasionally for it's immense aphrodisiac powers.
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