dave321
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2,6-dinitro-4-diazoresorcinol
hi all,
how would one synthesise the above material ?
it is a precursor to making strontium diazinate, a material proposed for lead free (flat d80-1 type )bullet hits
(which usually use lead styphnate)
i have read all the posts on lead styphnate but a succesful preparation eludes me.
stontium diazinate may be easier.
is it a matter of nitrating resorcinol followed by diazotisation?
thanks
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Why is a stontium salt better than a lead salt? Same toxic and not that less sensitive, the only difference is the color of the flameball when you
blow up yourself.
Some lead picrate:
The synthesis of styphnic acid is really easy, if you cant prepare that I don't think that you should make diazonium salts.
Also: from styphnic acid you first have to reduce it to 2,4-dinitro-6-amino-resorcinol and then make the diasotation to get the title comound. The
problem is: aromatic diazonium compounds like that are not so stable, especially when they form salts with heavier elements like Sr.
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reason for strontium vs lead is the percieved lower toxicity of the strontium salt, rightly or wrongly.
could you post a suggested synth of the diazonium salt ?
it cant be any worse than handling fulminates and only in small scale.
i am trained in lab procedures although not an organic chemist by profession.
my experience is largely with pyro compositions, and i know primaries are not in the same league or ball park
appreciate any help.
see below for patent info
http://osdir.com/patents/Explosive-charges/Pyrotechnic-body-...
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Wikipedia says that Sr is not toxic, it may be even benefical (against osteoporosis). Only the radioactive isotopes are dangerous. But you can as well
make strontium styphnate 
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The compound you want should be available from styphnic acid.
Styphnic acid can be reduced to the dinitro-monoamino compound by precisely the sample method as used to produce picramic acid discussed elsewhere on
this site but 2 possible isomers are possible (2 amino 4,6 dintroresorcinol and 4 amino 2,6 dinitro resorcinol, the later is the one you require but
how you seperate them or indeed which on predominates I don't know). This compound can be diazotises under cold fairly acid conditions and the cold
solution rendered strong alkaline to turn the diazonium cation in the the anionic diazonate ion. A soluble strontium salt is them added to the
solution to precipitate the required salt. I don't know how soluble the strontium salt will be.
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thanks for the info
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Quote: Originally posted by Boffis  | | 2 possible isomers are possible (2 amino 4,6 dintroresorcinol and 4 amino 2,6 dinitro resorcinol, the later is the one you require but how you
seperate them or indeed which on predominates I don't know). |
I do not think it would matter much whether they are separated.
Either would form diazo compounds.
https://www.sciencemadness.org/whisper/viewthread.php?tid=48...
Styphinic acid can be produced by the action of nitric acid on 3-nitrophenol. An old text states that the reaction proceeds through the transient
formation of tetranitro phenol, the nitro group in the 2-position being very reactive, and hydrolysing with water to be replaced with a hydroxyl
group.
[Edited on 9-12-2012 by AndersHoveland]
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| Quote: Originally posted by AndersHoveland |
Styphinic acid can be produced by the action of nitric acid on 3-nitrophenol. An old text states that the reaction proceeds through the transient
formation of tetranitro phenol, the nitro group in the 2-position being very reactive, and hydrolysing with water to be replaced with a hydroxyl
group.
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Actually, it is the nitro of position 3 and not 2 that is hydrolysed...because it is in the neightbourghood with two NO2 (one in position 2 and one on
position 4); as such it is very prone to nitro-nitrite rearrangement and hydrolysis.
Thus 2,3,4,6-tetranitrophenol turns easily into 2,4,6-trinitroresorcinol.
Also about isomers...
2-amino-4,6-dinitroresorcinol
4-amino-2,6-dinitroresorcinol (equal to 6-amino-2,4-dinitroresorcinol)
are possible
And
2-amino-4,6-dinitroresorcinol will give two isomers upon diazotation because the diazonium is hold between two hydroxy groups.
Thus in fine, if one doesn't serparate the initial molecular mix before diazotation; he will end up with 3 isomeric cyclic diazoniums...
To add a bit to the complexity...there exists also uncyclic diazoniums isomers based on para-quinon structures. As an example
2,4-dinitro-para-aminophenol upon diazotation afwords a stable diazonium salt while the OH group is at the oposite side of the aromatic ring.
[Edited on 11-12-2012 by PHILOU Zrealone]
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