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MEK?
UTFSE'd, didn't find much on the topic pertaining to my area, so I'll bring it up: Where is a good source of OTC methyl-ethyl ketol, or is there a way
to make it myself?
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Do you mean Methyl ethyl "ketone"?
If so..
You may get lucky at a hardware or paint store, however I'm almost positive that it is being phased out right now, at least in the states
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I got a bottle at the hardware store as "priming fluid" for PVC pipes. The only impurity I know of is a reddish polymer gunk dissolved in the liquid,
which can be removed by distillation.
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i was fortunate to get some from my local hardware store. Check in the paint isle. I got mine in a true value, but im sure ace hardware carries it
too...
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My local Home Depot and Lowes both carry methyl ethyl ketone, and lots of other chemicals other people have said are "disappearing" like TSP. Maybe
I'm just in a lucky area? If the big stores don't have any where you are, try to find a mom & pop place, they usually have lots of interesting
stuff.
How are you going to use it in your NdCl3 experiment? I'm very interested, as I'm working on a magnet project right now too.
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Quote: Originally posted by MrHomeScientist  | My local Home Depot and Lowes both carry methyl ethyl ketone, and lots of other chemicals other people have said are "disappearing" like TSP. Maybe
I'm just in a lucky area? If the big stores don't have any where you are, try to find a mom & pop place, they usually have lots of interesting
stuff.
How are you going to use it in your NdCl3 experiment? I'm very interested, as I'm working on a magnet project right now too. |
I'll try Home Depot when I next get a chance, then.
EDIT: Video has been deployed. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hLEGMufP78
As for the magnets, I saw a video a while back to purify NdCl3 from magnets that involved dissolving the residue, boiling it down to a dry powder (the
last time I did this, it was more of a clumpy mass, and washing it, first with pure isopropanol and second with pure MEK. This gives purple crystals
of NdCl3.
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That's interesting, seems like a pretty simple way to separate the chemicals. I went the sulfuric acid route instead, and have been separating the
Fe-sulfate from the Nd-sulfate by exploiting their opposite solubility behavior. Nd-sulfate actually is less soluble in hot solution than in cold, so
it's a lot of heat to boiling, collect crystals, let cool, remove Fe-sulfate crystals, reheat, etc. cycles. Very time consuming, but it's working.
Once I have enough Nd-sulfate from this method, I do a recrystallization to get higher purity and nice pink crystals.
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I'd have to recrystallize as well. Maybe sometime I should compare the purity of the resulting Nd compounds between methods.
So, what do you do with the ferric sulfate? Keep it, discard it... use it as garden stuff (pretty sure its a weedkiller)?
EDIT: A user recently mailed me (on my website, too!  ) about whether I wanted
some MEK from them. Because I suck at figuring out how to reply on my own website, I'll go ahead and politely decline. Thanks anyway! 
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For now I'm just hanging on to the iron sulfate (still mostly green ferrous with some brown ferric discoloration). No plans as of yet to use it for
anything. Nowadays I tend to keep just about everyting I make, to reduce disposal concerns and just in case I might need the chem in the future.
I did see one very interesting comment by Wizzard referencing magnets affecting crystals growth:
| Quote: Originally posted by Wizzard | | Magnets, on the other hand, mess with crystal growth. Ferrous sulfate (with or without ammonia complex), is neat to grow under the affects of strong
magnetism... The crystal structures will align on a broader scale, masses will grow in the same directions, and even single crystals will be split
apart as their growth patterns are forced to deviate by the strength of the magnets. |
That definitely sounds like something interesting to try.
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Purity of commercial MEK
Earlier today I purified some hardware store MEK via distillation (this was 'Klean Strip' brand). It starts coming over at 74C, with the still head
temperature rising fairly rapidly to 78C or so and then creeping up from there very gradually to 80C, and then increasing again after about 90% of the
material has come over, reaching 110C before the flask is dry. I kept the first 90% and discarded everything that came over above 81C, which ended up
being almost exactly 10% of the original material (56g of 550g).
The low temperature at the beginning is quite likely due to residual water (which forms an azeotrope), but it looks like it's no more than a few
grams, so maybe 1% of the mass.
Anyway, short version: the commercial MEK is far from pure, you should probably distill and/or dry it if you want to use it as reagent rather than
solvent.
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I am guessing the batch was contaminated with 2-butanol.
This would be the most common contaminant since MEK is made
from it. The MSDS claims 99% purity so I am guessing this
was a bad batch. Either that or they are adding something
to it to make it useless in cocaine manufacture which is
the illicit use of MEK.
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| Quote: Originally posted by macckone | I am guessing the batch was contaminated with 2-butanol.
This would be the most common contaminant since MEK is made
from it. The MSDS claims 99% purity so I am guessing this
was a bad batch. Either that or they are adding something
to it to make it useless in cocaine manufacture which is
the illicit use of MEK. |
Just watched a Columbia video and they used diesel and methanol! Not applicable to the UK, the cost of diesel would triple the cost of cocaine lol.
All that effort for a white powder!
Man how sad people have to get off there chops to enjoy life, come spend a day with me for free smiles and no chemicals included (except the ones you
bring me as gifts , after sulfur at the mo).
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ACE hardware in the US sells it OTC, if you have that in your area. If not, Elemental Scientific has it.
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Might have just undergone some self-condensation too. It's been on the shelf for a couple of years.
You can't really trust the MSDS, generally speaking.
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Lab-grade or even ACS grade MEK is easily available on eBay for rather low prices.
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Just a heads up: I tried to order MEK from to Australia from America and it got held back at customs because it was flammable.
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| Quote: Originally posted by Oscilllator |
Just a heads up: I tried to order MEK from to Australia from America and it got held back at customs because it was flammable. |
What happened then? I was gonna order some tert-butanol, however after hearing this...
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If you are in Australia, tert butanol is available at a good price from www.haines.com.au. Sells to public. Some of their stock is well priced. 500mL of tert butanol set me back $32.
I would be surprised if they couldn't get some MEK also.
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| Quote: Originally posted by HeYBrO | | Quote: Originally posted by Oscilllator |
Just a heads up: I tried to order MEK from to Australia from America and it got held back at customs because it was flammable. |
What happened then? I was gonna order some tert-butanol, however after hearing this...
[Edited on 22-10-2014 by HeYBrO] |
I think you should be OK, even if you order it from overseas and not from Haines like j_sum1 recommends. Tert-butanol is much less flammable than
acetone. I have actually personally dealt with Haines before and although their shipping can be slow, you do get your product eventually.
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I haven't heard much good from haines to tell the truth (as in they don't even sell to individuals). But now that you guys tell me that, i might have
a look. Anyone know where to get phenol in Australia? Say, what ever happened to that luke guy?
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Haines is a bit hit and miss price wise. Their main market is the education sector and that allows the prices to hike right up. It also means there
are limits on what they stock/supply. No group 1 metals for example.
Add to that, they charge a pretty penny for shipping and I have had one mishap with a very delayed order.
That said, they have been nice people to work with and have dealt promptly with complaints. They offered me eternal free shipping as an apology. A
bit of an overcompensation but I did take them up on one shipment.
I got Mg ribbon from them at cheaper than I could find elsewhere. I would at least look at them for basic stuff. Anything a bit "advanced" or
dangerous that is not likely to be needed by schools, you would have to go elsewhere.
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And Luke from Brisbane... Last note from him he was looking into finding lower grades and hence lower prices. I guess he has stock that he has to
get rid of first. If he is a serious player in the market then he will undoubtedly be back. There was not much of his stock that I wanted at the
prices he was quoting.
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