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[*] posted on 19-12-2012 at 11:55
Unknown powder, lets find out what it is


I discovered this substance a year ago from my warehouse box, and there it was: about 200 grams of obviously hygroscopic, clumpy, pure white dry powder. I picked it up to my table where it was for a month or two, until I packed it back when I did cleansing, and then I forgot it again.

Now, it is there again, and I wanna find out, what it is. I actually thought it could have been ammonium perchlorate or sodium perchlorate, since I was in fireworks those times, but Im not sure. I have very faint picture that I actually tried to burn it with some metal powders a year ago with no success, so I wont bet that it really is perchlorate, so it could be anything.

What tests should I carry out to find out what this is, so that I lose the least amount of substance? What I think first are the solubility, melting, boiling or decomp. points, reactivity with other substances, etc.
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[*] posted on 19-12-2012 at 12:08


There have been many threads on chemical analysis previously, please use the search engine.

For now, look into testing for halides with AgNO3 (followed by addition of ammonia solution), flame tests, reactions with acids etc.

This video summarises well some important wet analytical techniques;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TF71ffRRpKE

The melting point and boiling point, if its an ionic solid, will probably be quite hard to determine as ionic compounds generally have very high values for these due to the very strong interionic bonds.

These tests can be done in micro test-tubes, so the amount you use will be minimal. Actually, it may be a good idea to prepare a stock solution of your compound/mixture, and simply transfer a few ml at a time to each tube, saving you time and probably some of the chemical.

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[*] posted on 19-12-2012 at 12:10


I think you have it about right. Check out:

Organic Chemistry Laboratory Survival Manual (available in .pdf)

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[*] posted on 19-12-2012 at 12:38


If the powder is white, then you can rule out many transition metals like vanadium, chromium, copper, nickel, etc.

Before doing anything analytical I would do a few basic tests, which can rule out many many things.

- is it soluble in cold water? in hot/boiling water?
- if you strongly heat the material without flame contact, does it char? (if it does, then almost certainly it is an organic compound of decent complexity)
- is it flammable? test this by heating the material with flame contact

- If it is soluble in water, does the solution in water conduct electrical current? If yes, then you know it is a salt or an acid of appreciable strength.

After these basic tests you can start systematic qualitative analysis methods. Which tests you want to do depend on the outcome of the basic tests, mentioned above.




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[*] posted on 19-12-2012 at 13:26


Thanks for the tips! I'll take a look about those and see what I can find out. Not gonna be posting results this evening though, I've got a move to do, just packing my lab and stuff up on road. :D
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