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[*] posted on 10-5-2013 at 00:39


Dude, seriously, shut up with the damn porn.



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[*] posted on 10-5-2013 at 02:30


Quote: Originally posted by APO  
My internet isn't reliable so I use OTHERS WiFi connections, which in turn are public, so they usually have a lot of stuff blocked. Also I don't like Obama because he told everyone at NASA that no funding would be lost, but then he slashed their budget and canceled project constellation. Also I'm not interested in making "crazy bombs", I wanted Nitrosyl Tetrafluoroborate to make Hexanitrohexaazaisowurtzitane for use as a high energy, stealthy propellant. Finally by "hill billy country" I mean I live in a place of vast nothingness, with exception of the occasional Mcdonald's.


Well, well. When you will have prepared Cl-20, wake up and go for breakfast. This is just what annoys us- you have not prepared anything simple, but are dreaming about such complicated thing. Have you ever read how this compound can be prepared? Sulfuric acid is a great threat for you, but Nitrosyl Tetrafluoroborate not? Such shit cannot be taken seriously. Grow up.




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[*] posted on 10-5-2013 at 03:03


I'm no longer afraid of Sulfuric Acid now that I have gloves that are invulnerable to it and HNIW can be made through so many routes, it's hard to count. With the cost of Nitrosyl Tetrafluoroborate, I'm barely able to get my hands on a few grams, let alone enough to endanger myself or anyone else. Also you have no idea on any preliminary experiments I do in the way of practice. I may be vague, but the fact that I'm well spoken should tell you that I know what I'm getting into.



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[*] posted on 10-5-2013 at 07:39


If you post a couple of your "preliminary experiments" I bet people will start to respect you. Also, if anyone ever says "Hey APO, step into my van, I have some Nitrosyl Tetrafluroborate and candy" they probably don't.



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[*] posted on 10-5-2013 at 09:12


Quote: Originally posted by Simbani  


This is likely because you have diluted your Mn2O7 with H2SO4..
It´s very hard to get a good ratio, and powdering the KMnO4 before adding the H2SO4 is vastly more efficient.
I had a very good ratio a few times, and when dropped a single drop of this onto asphalt it detonated on contact. No flashing or popping no, it banged as soon as it contacted the asphalt. The reaction was even more violent with wood, I nearly got ringing ears from this..

I never tested it against shock, but something so reactive almost certainly IS sensitive to mechanical stimuli.


That's the same sort of reaction I've always had from introducing fuel, but I could try less sulfuric acid. I've always found hydrocarbons like asphalt or wax to be best (not sure why coal didn't react) but things like wood were much less powerful.

I've seen people claim that it doesn't detonate. I dunno what sort of vod it has, but that's definite detonation when it cracks a window 12 inches away.
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[*] posted on 10-5-2013 at 11:56


Quote: Originally posted by chemcam  
If you post a couple of your "preliminary experiments" I bet people will start to respect you.


I can sign this. :cool:

I have been following your posts for some time, and I can clearly recall myself of your age. All these dreams of advanced science seems so close, just to get couple of (utterly unobtainable) things and to reach your hands and grab the sweeeeet fruits of knowledge.

Nice idea, would like to see it done, but no, I do not believe that you will be able to do it. So, keep dreaming, keep planing, learn a lot, gain skills, and in some point (more like area) of time you will grow up, and hopefully have enough momentum to do some really extraordinary stuff. Just don't waste yourself in process...




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[*] posted on 10-5-2013 at 16:12


YOU ALL WAIT TILL I GET 800 BUCKS!



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[*] posted on 10-5-2013 at 16:24


Don't spend 800 buck on this compound. Do something simpler, buy stuff to make easier energetic...

Or you could give me some ha ha ha.




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[*] posted on 11-5-2013 at 04:39


Quote: Originally posted by APO  
YOU ALL WAIT TILL I GET 800 BUCKS!


No, don't waste 800 dollars on nitrosyl tetrafluoroborate. It'll be probably be the equivalent of spending $800 on nothing anyway, as it would probably hydrolyse very readily. So unless you have a glove-box filled with dry nitrogen/argon, I wouldn't be buying it, especially when 800 dollars could get you a whole bunch of more useful reagents/glassware.

By the way, the compound you're making (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hexanitrohexaazaisowurtzitane) requires a wide range of reagents, including the famed acetic anhydride (you're never going to find a place to buy it without the police visiting you). You also have to buy other reagents, like benzylamine and glyoxal. And good luck doing the hydrogenolysis (which most likely requires high pressure).

Like others have said, try to make simpler compounds before getting onto something like that, which requires both a very well-stocked lab and lots of experience in preparative organic chemistry. If you actually got all the reagents and tried to make this, the best that could happen is no yield/very low yield, the worst is it blowing up in your face.
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[*] posted on 11-5-2013 at 10:15


Comeon APO.
CL-20 is for chumps ... Try something more interesting like
Octa Nitro Cubane. Shouldn't be a problem for a pro with your skills and labware.
800 bucks should get you half an ounce or so of Cubane.

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[*] posted on 11-5-2013 at 13:29


Yeah, that's for pussies. Go for hhtdd!
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[*] posted on 11-5-2013 at 13:33


Or try to prepare trinitramide N(NO2)3. You'll be the first- this super oxidizer exists only as theoretical possibility. Eternal glory and so on.



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[*] posted on 11-5-2013 at 17:22


Would you guys like a lab tour? You guys seem very doubtful.



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[*] posted on 11-5-2013 at 17:29


Would love to see it, as a heads up though if you use lab pictures from Google make sure you go at least 50 pages deep or you're liable to get caught. Lol



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[*] posted on 11-5-2013 at 17:46


What do you mean?



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[*] posted on 11-5-2013 at 19:37


They mean they still doubt you. A video is your only salvation now.



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[*] posted on 11-5-2013 at 22:19


Yes Dexter. We would like a virtual tour .... As long as your sister named Dee Dee isn't running around and flicking switches etc.
Do you have any mega joule chemical LASERs kicking around ?
Electrical EMP generators ?
L-RAD sound emitters ?

Buddy ... Seriously .... How old are you ?




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[*] posted on 12-5-2013 at 01:19


Sorry, my camera went apeshit. So it took a while.

Oh, and Motherload, buddy... I'm 13

EDIT: After I taped it, I got nervous and deleted it, sorry.





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[*] posted on 12-5-2013 at 02:46


I think Finnicus watched it before it was gone though.



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[*] posted on 12-5-2013 at 03:04


I did... :cool: GOML



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[*] posted on 12-5-2013 at 03:19


And... I actually have to say I'm impressed. With some interesting subjects, your channel could be, veeeery nice.



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[*] posted on 12-5-2013 at 13:22


Thanks, I think I'll remake it when I'm not so tired.



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[*] posted on 12-5-2013 at 15:10


Wikipedia says small amounts of trinitramide have been made and detected in 2010.

APP time travel? That might be a better use of your excessive talents
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[*] posted on 12-5-2013 at 18:21


Quote: Originally posted by Trotsky  
Wikipedia says small amounts of trinitramide have been made and detected in 2010.

APP time travel? That might be a better use of your excessive talents


May be, I cannot say that I know all last achievements. To APO: what about large carbon crystals? The raw material cost nothing at all.




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[*] posted on 12-5-2013 at 20:05


No thanks, I'm going to make Ammonium Nitrobenzoate.



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