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[*] posted on 10-2-2014 at 16:46


It's not hard to make one.http://chem.wisc.edu/deptfiles/genchem/lab/labdocs/modules/e....

Metal will not work.
I don't know what you are trying to make, but I made this and it will likely work for whatever you are trying to make.

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[*] posted on 10-2-2014 at 17:28


Sodium hydroxide was one thing I was looking at making, but the main problem was with using soaked paper or similar device is that such a device only allows a small amount of current, but I will give the agar a try if I can find some.

Though won't the metal allow current just like the salt bridge, I know for sodium hydroxide you couldn't use aluminium but couldn't iron or zinc work?

But thanks for your links and help
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[*] posted on 10-2-2014 at 17:42


Yes I ran into that exact problem, soaked paper only allows a small amount of current. It did work, but at about 3 amps it took about 2 days of constant running just to get to 14 Ph, almost nothing. I eventually gave up and just bought my NaOH.
I don't know why metal wont work, but I know it wont.




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[*] posted on 10-2-2014 at 18:00


I experimented with alternative salt bridges such as gelatin and other such, to no effect. My advice would be to take a length of rubber tubing, and fill it with concentrated salt solution before stuffing it at both ends with cotton. This *might* allow for more current...



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[*] posted on 10-2-2014 at 20:53


When sodium thiosulfate reduces potassium permanganate in a basic solution, a green colour even stronger than the permanganate forms. Why is this?
I couldn't find any info on this online.




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[*] posted on 11-2-2014 at 01:26


Quote: Originally posted by Oscilllator  
When sodium thiosulfate reduces potassium permanganate in a basic solution, a green colour even stronger than the permanganate forms. Why is this?

I would say it is because of the reduction to manganate, the same can be seen in the famous chemical chameleon reaction. equation for reduction :MnO4- + e- → MnO4-2
Other members can fill in any gaps as I'm not sure other wise for this one.




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[*] posted on 11-2-2014 at 04:56


What is the easiest way to separate Ethylbenzene and Xylene?
I have hardware store "Xylene" which contains 70-90% mixed Xylenes and 10-30% Ethylbenzene.




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[*] posted on 11-2-2014 at 10:55


Just a theory, but ethylbenzene melts at -95C where p-Xylene melts at 13C, so could it be crystallized out of the ethylbenzene?

Is this reaction real and balanced:

1 Ca(OH)2 + 1 CO(NH2)2 = 1 CaCO3 + 2 NH3

Theory: the calcium hydroxide should donate two hydrogens for ammonia and obtain the carbon monoxide and two oxygens to make calcium carbonate.

If not, are there any decent ways to make ammonia from urea except pyrolysis?

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[*] posted on 11-2-2014 at 12:54


A mix of xylenes melts at -47.4°C, though.



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[*] posted on 11-2-2014 at 13:16


Quote: Originally posted by testimento  
Just a theory, but ethylbenzene melts at -95C where p-Xylene melts at 13C, so could it be crystallized out of the ethylbenzene?


I really doubt it. You've got a four-component system there- ethylbenzene, o-xylene, m-xylene, and p-xylene. They are sufficiently similar that I'd use any two of them as a textbook example of an ideal solution. Even at temperatures well below 13 oC, p-xylene would be very soluble in ethylbenzene. If you cool it in dry ice, you may see some xylenes crystallizing out, and the ethylbenzene would stay in the liquid phase. It doesn't seem like a great separation method, though.

Why do you want to separate them?




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[*] posted on 11-2-2014 at 14:35
vanillin


Could vanillin be synthetized how reasonably?
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[*] posted on 11-2-2014 at 14:40


Yes. Try Google. This [was] off-topic. Please don't ask for spoon-feeding.

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[*] posted on 11-2-2014 at 14:47


Can Phenylacetic Acid be synthesized using the same method as Benzoic Acid from Toluene or Phthalic Acid from o-Xylene (KMnO4 and reflux). I expect it can, but I want to be sure before using my Ethylbenzene.



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[*] posted on 11-2-2014 at 15:35


No, KMnO<sub>4</sub> & reflux yields benzoic acid.

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[*] posted on 11-2-2014 at 15:36


Nope. The benzylic carbon would be oxidized, as it is much more reactive than the terminal methyl. Depending on how much oxidant is used (or how strong it is), one would expect to get phenylmethylcarbinol, acetophenone, or benzoic acid.

[Edit] Aw, darn it bfesser, you beat me to it! ;P

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[*] posted on 12-2-2014 at 16:00


I search but couldn't find the solubility of cadmium sulfate in sulfuric acid. I plan on purifying some cadmium (from Ni-Cd batteries), by dissolving in H2SO4.
Does anyone know anything about it?
I plan on using an excess of sulfuric acid because it is contaminated with Cd(OH)2, but I don't know what the proportions are.
Cd + H2SO4 → CdSO4 + H2.
Cd(OH)2+ H2SO4→2H2O+ CdSO4.



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[*] posted on 12-2-2014 at 16:34


If you don't use too much of an excess, you only have to worry about its solubility in water.

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[*] posted on 12-2-2014 at 17:53


I dissolved in slight excess sulfuric acid, soon the reaction got very hot, and turned green. I immediately knew there was nickel(II) sulfate forming as well. Is there a way to separate the two? Solubility of both sulfates are very close. Single displacement wont work except with cobalt, to displace nickel. I don't have cobalt.
Any other ways? I'm not trying to encourage spoonfeeding, I just don't know what to do.

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[*] posted on 13-2-2014 at 21:16


Quote: Originally posted by Zyklonb  
I dissolved in slight excess sulfuric acid, soon the reaction got very hot, and turned green. I immediately knew there was nickel(II) sulfate forming as well. Is there a way to separate the two? Solubility of both sulfates are very close. Single displacement wont work except with cobalt, to displace nickel. I don't have cobalt.
Any other ways? I'm not trying to encourage spoonfeeding, I just don't know what to do.

[Edited on 13-2-2014 by Zyklonb]


Cadmium carbonate has a much smaller Ksp than nickel carbonate. Maybe that would work.




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[*] posted on 14-2-2014 at 16:38


Does anyone have data what is the electrical conductivity of water with 5-25% NaCl concentration per mm2?
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[*] posted on 14-2-2014 at 16:49


testimento (and others), please don't use this thread as a substitute for Google or the CRC Handbook. Also, what the heck do you mean by "concentration per mm2?"



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[*] posted on 14-2-2014 at 16:57


I think he means conduction per millimeter squared of solution (and that would probably millimeter cubed). Or would it just be millimeters (distance from one charge to the other)?



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[*] posted on 14-2-2014 at 17:01


I presented it in mm2 because I was thinking of pipe, let's say 100mm2 cross sectional area, where brine would be, and through this should electricity be conducted. At least the current can be reported mm2 cross sectional area in metals.

And yes, I attempted to search for it for at least half an hour but managed to find no data which I could use as a reference, so I thought to ask. :P

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[*] posted on 15-2-2014 at 13:24


I saw a demonstration online, where potassium persulfate was made by following procedure:

45,6 G of ammonium persulpfate dissolved in 100 ml of water

30 G of potassium chloride dissolved in 100 ml of water

Mix the solutions, cool it in fridge, filter crystals out and rinse them with water

Said to yield 54 G K2S2O8, and a leftover solution of Ammonium Chloride.

The said vid on youtube shows said reaction, but .....

So i scoured the WWW for more info on this proces, and found none. Which is why i hope someone here will enlighten me, as i´m out of options.

Is it a Hoax?

Thanks!
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[*] posted on 15-2-2014 at 13:45


Hello friends, I want to know is there a way to synthesize some Al(NO3)3 starting from Al metal and HNO3 ? I want to have the final salt in as pure as possible solution(not contaminated with other ions, which will happen if I obtain it by some sort of double decomposition reaction), but as I know Al doesn't react with nitric acid. Ideas?
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