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[*] posted on 13-7-2015 at 14:23


Quote: Originally posted by franklyn  
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2007/11/12/environment-climate...
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/cif-green/2010/nov/01...
The best one can say of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change — criminally irresponsible purveyors of disinformation.
Once and for always it soon can be said , Good-bye to this pathological ' science ', and the morons who wasted their lives promoting it.

Throughout the past century every known cyclical natural variation has happened like clockwork. Of course you won't hear of this from the IPCC.
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2015/07/11/Earth-head...
http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-change/mini...


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You seem to indicate that the first two articles indicate the ipcc is dishonest while the first link doesn't support it and the second link talks about blatant disinformation from oil companies.

The chances of a maunder minimum triggering a mini ice age without the accompanying volcanic that was instrumental in the last one are very low.
https://www.skepticalscience.com/print.php?r=65

The science behind anthropological climate change is sound the arguments in the climate science community are around how it will effect weather.

For example if the Atlantic conveyor stops will north America and Europe experience cooling or not. Will warming increase snow storms or decrease them.

Some of the answers are not obvious. If larger amounts of water vapor collide with a cold air mass more frequently then you get more snow. Rather this happens or not is weather and long term effects on weather are climate.

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[*] posted on 13-7-2015 at 15:11


Quote: Originally posted by franklyn  

— A poignant quotation
Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from
the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are even incapable of
forming such opinions.

— Albert Einstein[/font]


‘franklyn’, who clearly isn’t a scientist (he isn’t even capable of spelling, frankly speaking) and falls hook, line and sinker for preposterous HHO style scams, has us believe his ‘thinking’ is somehow ‘independent’ ('objective', as it were) on AGW, yet merely parrots US Right-wing talking points straight from the Hannity/Limbaugh/Bloviators/Fox talking bubble.

Fond of Einstein quotes (a man who would frankly laugh his socks off with regards to 'franklyn types') here’s one that seems to have been uttered with ‘franklyn's person' in mind:

“Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe.”
― Albert Einstein

I doubt if 'franklyn' could read and understand an A-level text on say, 'Ideal Gases', frankly. Yet he sits here in judgement of some of the finest scientists on the planet and calls them 'morons'. I suppose it's a small blessing he doesn't spell that as 'morans'.

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[*] posted on 16-7-2015 at 10:37
Shooting the messenger can't change the message


Within science, progress is unfortunately contingent upon individual values and the nature of its practitioners. It is also dependent upon the social climate. Wherever a society has become subordinated to the rule of an overly privileged native class, scientific objectivity is the first to suffer suppression and incursions by self serving administrative bodies which religiously affirm established dogma and seek to enforce the last word as to what represents scientific truth. This is evident by the focus of contention and reproach at dissenting individuals instead of examining the premise they present.

" Convictions are more dangerous enemies of truth than lies."
— Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche

" Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it."
— Andre Gide

" The reason for so much bad science is not that talent is rare, not at all; what is rare is character."
— Sigmund Freud

" Truth, like gold, is obtained by washing from it all that is not gold."


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[*] posted on 16-7-2015 at 11:08


What disturbs me about client science is the emotional component. Calling somebody who disputes your theories a moron is not productive. So is equating "deniers" with Nazis. Name calling is in no way an indicator of the validity of one's conclusions. We need transparency, open data, and frank, rational and adult discussion by all individuals.

I would ask that old question "Cui Bono" of all. Who benefits?

If the availability of funding is dependent on the conclusion drawn, is the conclusion still valid?

Show us your raw data. Reveal your models. Stop acting like fact can be determined by an election of "scientists". A thing is, or it is not.


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[*] posted on 16-7-2015 at 11:59


Quote: Originally posted by diggafromdover  
What disturbs me about client [sic] science is the emotional component. Calling somebody who disputes your theories a moron is not productive. So is equating "deniers" with Nazis. Name calling is in no way an indicator of the validity of one's conclusions. We need transparency, open data, and frank, rational and adult discussion by all individuals.

I would ask that old question "Cui Bono" of all. Who benefits?

If the availability of funding is dependent on the conclusion drawn, is the conclusion still valid?

Show us your raw data. Reveal your models. Stop acting like fact can be determined by an election of "scientists". A thing is, or it is not.


Can you read? 'Franklyn' just called climate scientists ‘morons’. Name-calling hardly comes from one side only, you twit. 'Franklyn, BTW, isn't just a moron: he's also a moron who is almost universally despised on this forum and well deserved too.

Who benefits? How do climate scientists benefit from this? Please explain, Sir!

Data? They’re all over the Internet. Don’t blame others for your own laziness/reading difficulties. You obviously also don't know a thing about science, or you wouldn't be asking for 'raw data', idiot.


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[*] posted on 16-7-2015 at 12:04


Quote: Originally posted by macckone  

The chances of a maunder minimum triggering a mini ice age without the accompanying volcanic that was instrumental in the last one are very low.
https://www.skepticalscience.com/print.php?r=65



franklyn has been informed of this already, but does not appear to have modified his viewpoint at all. Maybe he's confusing 'having character' with 'being a character'! :P:cool:

http://www.sciencemadness.org/talk/viewthread.php?tid=19430&...

Quote: Originally posted by diggafromdover  

Show us your raw data. Reveal your models.
[Edited on 16-7-2015 by diggafromdover]


Links to raw and processed climate data, as well as the code for GCMs and other relevant climate simulations, can be found here:

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/data-sources/




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[*] posted on 16-7-2015 at 12:12


I'm confused.

Is the 'climate science' currently being done to whittle prediction down to a very fine art indeed, or are the established records of us being in the middle of a sequende of Ice Ages disputed ?





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[*] posted on 16-7-2015 at 12:16


Quote: Originally posted by aga  
I'm confused.

Is the 'climate science' currently being done to whittle prediction down to a very fine art indeed, or are the established records of us being in the middle of a sequende of Ice Ages disputed ?



You would do much better asking these questions (or searching for the answers to them) on specialist ACC forums. Most of the 'critics' of ACC here don't even know the difference between "climate" and "weather". You can't fix stupid.

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[*] posted on 16-7-2015 at 14:13


" The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts."
" The fundamental cause of trouble in the world is that the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt."
— Bertrand Russell

" It's not what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you think you know for sure that just ain't so."
— Mark Twain ( Samuel Clemens )

@ blogfast25 and others here , you know who you are.
Which one of us is absolutely sure here, and which one of us is expressing doubts.


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[*] posted on 16-7-2015 at 14:44


It's me. i know it is because my pants are aflame again.

Why does this keep happening ?

Not just here, i mean throughout the entire history of Mankind.

Arguments about pointless ego-fueled rubbish when there's so much more interesting stuff to do or talk about !

When the Ego Battle is over, who is going to get mating rights, and over whom ?

(count me out : as security my pants are on fire remember)




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[*] posted on 16-7-2015 at 15:51


Quote: Originally posted by franklyn  

@ blogfast25 and others here , you know who you are.
Which one of us is absolutely sure here, and which one of us is expressing doubts.[/font]



Listen village idiot, you AREN'T expressing any 'doubt' whatsoever, you don't even know what scepticism is. You're a dishonest piece of sh*t and a well-known garbage peddler. And universally despised here, as well you know.

Next time 9 doctors tell you you're ill and 1 that you're going to be OK, don't forget to believe the last one, won't you? Cos that's what you're doing here, you know!

Can't you go and hang out at Breitbart or somefink? Or watch the Sarah Palin channel? Go on, you know you want to!

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[*] posted on 16-7-2015 at 16:21
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Please don't fall for blogfast25's obvious attempt to end and render this topic into Detritus where it does not belong.
Instead do by all means set the example by removing blogfast25's intemperate outburst to Detritus where it does belong.
— Thank you.


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[*] posted on 16-7-2015 at 16:42


Your little ploy won't work, Franky. Ever the paranoid crackpot, eh Franky?

This thread certainly does belong in Detritus, where ALL pseudo-science belongs. That's most of your stuff.

Who on Earth would believe a word from someone (you) who can't even spot a glaring violation of Thermodynamics, huh?

Your whole presence on this forum has N-O-T-H-I-N-G to do with science but everything with you peddling your RANCID conspiracies and other crackpot nonsense. WE ALL KNOW THIS.

Don't pretend to be polite either or I'll dig up some of your past stuff too.

Get lost, please.

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[*] posted on 16-7-2015 at 17:04


Here's at least one GOPer who gets it:

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“Well I’m not a scientist,” Graham responded. “but here’s the problem I’ve got with some people in my party: When you ask the scientists what’s going on, why don’t you believe them? If I went to 10 doctors and nine said, ‘Hey, you’re gonna die,’ and one says ‘You’re fine,’ why would I believe the one guy?”



http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/lindsey-graham-climate...

If a mental midget like Graham can be right, could there be hope for 'franklyn'? Probably not...

Could be a career-ending move on the part of Graham, of course!




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[*] posted on 16-7-2015 at 18:13
Flying off the handle now


http://www.sciencemadness.org/talk/viewthread.php?tid=26429&...
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[*] posted on 17-7-2015 at 05:46


Blogfast:
Lindsey Graham is a RINO of the lowest caliber. Yes, he comes across as a very nice trustworthy person, but he wears his cloak well. He's actually dirtier than most, and it wouldn't surprise me a bit if there was a direct payment "for constituent projects" for his little comment on climate change.

The fact that this topic is still being discussed after people in your own country were caught (email scandal) discussing how best to fudge the data is quite beyond me, especially when those same people were found not to be a little clan working by themselves, but deeply connected to the "climate change cartel" worldwide. I know the true believers are willing to dismiss the deceit because the deceit was uncovered by deceitful means (email hacking), but the fact is, these people were caught, actively discussing how best to propagate the myth by fudging data.

We can continue to discuss various reports, cross-post various studies supporting either "side", but the facts are climate change faithful will do anything to keep the funds rolling in, and of course justify their lies so they can continue to be considered "valid" scientists, expecting of course to remain fundable for the next study grant.

EVERY SINGLE CLIMATE CHANGE BELIEVER SHOULD HAVE JUST THROWN IN THE TOWEL WHEN YOUR COUNTRY MATES WERE CAUGHT, BUT THEY CAN'T. THEY WANT, NO, NEED TO BELIEVE THAT HUMANS ARE A BLIGHT ON THE EARTH, AND SHOULD PAY FOR THE DAMAGE THEY DO. NEVERMIND ALL THE BILLIONS OF TONS OF CO2 GENERATED AS THEY JET AROUND TO VARIOUS CONFERENCES DESIGNED TO PRESERVE THE MYTH, THEY NEED US TO BELIEVE AS THEY DO, OTHERWISE WE ARE "DENIERS".

Count me as a proud denier, because I don't care how the emails were obtained, caught is caught, the goose has been cooked, time to relax and eat dinner.

Anyone professing to have an "open mind" on climate change is in just as much denial as the staunch believers. Again, we have "scientists" in their own words, trying to best determine how to falsify data to support the religion they so dearly want to believe in. Also very telling is how those not directly implicated didn't rise to the defense of those caught, nor even have to actively avoid having to impune nor defend them, they knew the media would sweep it under the rug because so many have invested so much time lying to one another, climate change had become "too big to fail". Too big to acknowledge blatant lies and falsified data. A sad commentary on mass-think.
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[*] posted on 17-7-2015 at 06:04


Varmint and franklyn, 'The Dumb and Dumber' of SM. Good luck getting in bed with a nut who can't even recognise a basic HHO scam, Varmint.

You make a nice pair, I've gotta say. A conspiracy theorist and a guy who stated that 'Fox news wasn't far right enough'.

By your 'scandal logic', you can write off any project, political party, even science itself because of scandals and hoaxes. You could even write off Holocaust theory on that basis because there's been the occasional falsification too. But it just doesn't work that way.

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... and it wouldn't surprise me a bit if there was a direct payment "for constituent projects" for his little comment on climate change.


Evidence? Not the tiniest of shreds of course. But then that's how gutter political commentary works in the US, isn't it?


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[*] posted on 17-7-2015 at 06:11


Quote: Originally posted by franklyn  
http://www.sciencemadness.org/talk/viewthread.php?tid=26429&...


Flying off the handle? No, it's an OBJECTIVE assessment of who you are and why you are here. In a word: TROLLING. Again: WE ALL KNOW THIS.

Why do you choose this forum when clearly you have no interest in science whatsoever? Why not hang out at some third rate con-libertarian bloggies, where you’d probably be feted as a hero for your ‘daring’ crapola views? Where they can keep you updated on the latest Alex Jones/Jeff Rense gossip?

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[*] posted on 17-7-2015 at 06:20


Bloggie:

That's OK, I know you want to believe in global warming, after all, that's something else you can blame the yanks for.

It's not an inadvertent or occasional falsification you want to dismiss, it's a concerted effort amongst the loudest voices in the global warming community that was disclosed, but your belief is too strong. You've got your falsified data, roll in it, get it all over you so you can enjoy the stink just like a good dog.

And I wear my conservative label with staunch pride because I believe America and the UKs best days are behind us, nothing good has come from progressivism, and if you can't see that, we'll just attribute it to the same blinders you are wearing regarding the global warming cult.

Have a nice day wanker. Now go kiss your boyfriend in public, progressivism has made it not only your right, but something to be celebrated. Enjoy that too, use some tongue.
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Quote: Originally posted by Varmint  
Bloggie:

That's OK, I know you want to believe in global warming, after all, that's something else you can blame the yanks for.

It's not an inadvertent or occasional falsification you want to dismiss, it's a concerted effort amongst the loudest voices in the global warming community that was disclosed, but your belief is too strong. You've got your falsified data, roll in it, get it all over you so you can enjoy the stink just like a good dog.

And I wear my conservative label with staunch pride because I believe America and the UKs best days are behind us, nothing good has come from progressivism, and if you can't see that, we'll just attribute it to the same blinders you are wearing regarding the global warming cult.

Have a nice day wanker. Now go kiss your boyfriend in public, progressivism has made it not only your right, but something to be celebrated. Enjoy that too, use some tongue.


I don’t blame ‘the yanks’ for global warming, you twit. It’s a global problem. And despite idiots like you even your fine Republic is falling in line with the rest of the world on the issue.

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Have a nice day wanker. Now go kiss your boyfriend in public, progressivism has made it not only your right, but something to be celebrated. Enjoy that too, use some tongue.


Nice bit of homophobia you’ve got going on there too. No big surprise then.

You're a dinosaur. Petrification setting in soon...

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[*] posted on 17-7-2015 at 06:44


Blogfast, I believe the antidote to your present difficulties is to be found in wiki's (hilarious?) description of the Dunning-Kruger effect! :D

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[*] posted on 17-7-2015 at 06:54


You could well be right there, HN.

Now when is someone going to move this joke of a thread to Whimsy (at least)?




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[*] posted on 17-7-2015 at 06:55


Love the dinosaur label too. Because tradition is what makes a nation, and marriage is between a man and a woman.

Don't take my nation's current direction as mainstream, we have a self-loathing America hater (ever read his books or his wife's thesis?) calling the shots, and he's perfectly willing to use extra-legal decrees to do so. Since you are a bit dense (progressive loss of hindsight) extra-legal means outside of legal, not "entirely legal".

He believes in a one world vision, where all of us are rolling around in the same mud pits, begging for relief from our masters.

Me? I prefer to reflect on the glory that once was your nation, and the same for mine. We were the "west", and everyone wanted to be like us. When they couldn't make that happen, they sought to tear us down to their level. Hey, if you like it, fine. But I prefer the UK as the model for civilized society, not the muslim/gay/progressive cesspool it's now become, and like you say, we're hot on your heels thanks to decades of progressivism gone wild.

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[*] posted on 17-7-2015 at 07:03


Quote: Originally posted by Varmint  

He believes in a one world vision, where all of us are rolling around in the same mud pits, begging for relief from our masters.




With Neoliberalism on the rampage, you'll soon be begging for relief too. Unless you're one of them, of course (vulture capitalists).

You're hankering for a past that never even existed. A mythology. Something to tell your grand kids at bed time but no more real than John Wayne. You have no idea of Western history whatsoever, except for a sanitised version created by those with a vested interest in it.

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Quote: Originally posted by hissingnoise  
Blogfast, I believe the antidote to your present difficulties is to be found in wiki's (hilarious?) description of the Dunning-Kruger effect! :D



Had to look that up, very funny. A climate article I've seen recently:

http://arstechnica.com/science/2015/07/i-rejoice-that-it-is-...




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