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[*] posted on 11-8-2015 at 10:00


Quote: Originally posted by franklyn  

http://www.sciencemadness.org/talk/viewthread.php?tid=26845#...



From your 'contribution' to that 'thread':

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Sure , there are some good liberals , of course these liberals all happen to be dead , and cannot harm society any more , from six feet under.


Real classy, franklyn.

Almost as classy as your veiled death threats to watson.fawkes all these moons ago.

You really are a petty crybaby, aren't you? Each time someone opposes your rancid views, it's a conspiracy by 'liberals' to silence you, isn't it? I pity libertarian paranoiacs like you... :(


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[*] posted on 11-8-2015 at 10:38


Quote: Originally posted by zts16  
You aren't making it any better, aga

What's to make better ?

You cannot polish a turd.




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[*] posted on 11-8-2015 at 11:14


Quote: Originally posted by aga  
Quote: Originally posted by zts16  
You aren't making it any better, aga

What's to make better ?

You cannot polish a turd.
No, you can't. But in this case the turd is smeared over what started out as a decent thread. It would be lovely if a moderator would prune and remove everything from where the science ends and the politics begins and set that up in a new argument thread in Whimsy. bfesser did a grand job of that when he was here, as you can see from the first page of this thread, but since then it has taken on a life of its own and everything of value has been buried.

To remind you of what this thread was supposed to be:
Quote: Originally posted by bfesser  
If I extrapolate mayko's intentions correctly, this thread was intended for posting educational resources, references, etc.—not for bickering and debating climate change, global warming (GW), anthropogenic global warming (AGW), or whatever you choose to call it.

<img src="../scipics/_warn.png" /> No debate in this thread. Please don't make me split or prune it again (further argument may be deleted). <img src="../scipics/_warn.png" />

Quote: Originally posted by mayko  
Your extrapolation was correct. I am torn between letting this nonsense stand and being late for work.

I will just say that I encourage interested parties to investigate the online course, which covers topics such as water vapor feedback and the carbon cycle.

I also note that another role for the amateur is to be informed should they have to write letters to the editor or the like.
Pathetic really how that tide rushed in as soon as he was no longer here to hold it back.



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[*] posted on 11-8-2015 at 11:46


Sad in a way, but that's Progress for you.

<img src="../scipics/_warn.png" />

cool. a warning triangle.

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[*] posted on 15-8-2015 at 10:55


Global Warming - Peer-Review Deception
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jcp40a6IYdY

NASA Scientists Invalidate the Global Warming Hypothesis
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deNbnxaJYOU&t=2m3s

Confessions of a Greenpeace Dropout - Dr Patrick Moore
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCrkqLaYjnc&t=1m11s

Global Warming : Facts versus Faith by Walter Cunningham
http://www.waltercunningham.com/factsfaith.pdf

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[*] posted on 16-8-2015 at 08:19


Quote: Originally posted by franklyn  
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Is Donald Trump’s campaign making a mockery of the political process or is it exposing the mockery that the political process has become ? Middle Americans from the heartland are looking past his utter lack of decorum and political correctness to validate and endorse his outrage. The more he's hated the more they love him. Not playing the usual political games , unintimidated and outspoken he's very appealing to people who feel like they lack power or a voice. People get a vicarious thrill out of seeing somebody speak truth to power and they get this in spades with Donald Trump a staunch skeptic of the global warming agenda. Righteous indignation is something the establishment does not know what to do about. This time the establishment may just crash and burn.

[Edited on 11-8-2015 by franklyn]


Completely agree!

I also thought it was most revealing how Fox news attempted to knock off Donald with some very pointed hard questions only to fail! Everyone else got a pass especially Bush who, in my opinion, broke election laws (the very pillar of democracy), by having votering rolls purged of likely democrats, ridiculous long lines and made access to some minority voting polling precincts nearly impossible! He should be in jail for election law violations and not running for anything!

Also, there may be more broken than just the political process. One should examine the entertainment news business as well.

I have decided to become an independent, or at least, upwind from the manure.
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[*] posted on 28-8-2015 at 03:03


I can definitely see franklyn in this paper
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[*] posted on 29-8-2015 at 17:42
Do you believe in political climate change ?


The premise that climate can be changed by politics.

It's either yes or else then it's no. If no then why are we talking about it ?

So by elimination it is yes.

Being political , necessarily means it cannot be science , but it surely is political science.

What ' science ' may be co-opted into the fray , is to bolster the premise with confirmation bias.

An example of scientific debate is whether dinosaurs where cold blooded or warm blooded.
When was the last time you heard a Papal encyclical on that.

If some yokel held a press conference declaring the debate is over , dinosaurs were cold blooded
because they look like lizards which are cold blooded , he would be seen as what he is , a crank
and loon.

Why isn't this the case with absurd assertions of avowed change in climate ?
It really speaks volumes about who populates mass media.

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There is information which one is never going to know unless someone like Snowden tells it to you.
Conspiracies exist , even as they are denied by persons unqualified to express their unwanted opinion
but do so anyway , they have no need to wear tinfoil around their heads to keep from their already
beady brains what they cannot understand.


Lester Frank Ward , 1841 – 1913 was an ideologue cited as being the
" father of the modern welfare state "
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lester_Frank_Ward
See - Influence on U.S. government policy , Quoted from there _
" As a political approach, Ward's system became known as social liberalism,
as distinguished from the classical liberalism of the eighteenth and nineteenth
centuries which featured such thinkers as Adam Smith and John Stuart Mill.
While classical liberalism had sought prosperity and progress through laissez-fare,
Ward's "American social liberalism" sought to enhance social progress through
direct government intervention. Ward believed that in large, complex and rapidly
growing societies human freedom could only be achieved with the assistance of
a strong democratic government acting in the interest of the individual. The
characteristic element of Ward's thinking was his faith that government, acting
on the empirical and scientifically based findings of the science of sociology,
could be harnessed to create a near Utopian social order."

In other words the founding of applied mass psychology to direct public policy.

Psychological clues to ways of manipulation. Basic techniques employed by professional magicians.
Even they can be fooled because one does not have complete control over ones own thinking even
as you know that you are being manipulated. The effects shown do not work for everyone , and that
is of no matter since they are a minority and for this reason inconsequential to mass psychological practice.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1wzI4I51eA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O30fgno61js
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqq1xTFf2zY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1B-MpDbcVY
The point of this is if you are easily lead , you ' believe ' in climate change. Of course , doesn't everybody.

Sociology as an applied science
http://historymuse.net/readings/LeBonMASSPSYCHOLOGY.htm
— Gustave Le Bon 1841—1931
" by the mere fact that he forms part of an organized crowd,
a man descends several rungs in the ladder of civilization."
" In consequence, a crowd perpetually hovering on the borderland of
unconsciousness, readily yielding to all suggestions, having all the violence of
feeling peculiar to beings who cannot appeal to the influence of reason, deprived
of all critical faculty, cannot be otherwise than excessively credulous. The improbable
does not exist for a crowd, and it is necessary to bear this circumstance well in mind
to understand the facility with which are created and propagated the most improbable
legends and stories. A crowd thinks in images, and the image itself immediately
calls up a series of other images, having no logical connection with the first. Our
reason shows us the incoherence there is in these images, but a crowd is almost blind
to this truth, and confuses with the real event what the deforming action of its
imagination has superimposed thereon. A crowd scarcely distinguishes between the
subjective and the objective. It accepts as real the images evoked in its mind."
" It was Napoleon, I believe, who said that there is only one figure in rhetoric of
serious importance, namely, repetition. The thing affirmed comes by repetition to fix
itself in the mind in such a way that it is accepted in the end as a demonstrated truth."

" All news is lies and all propaganda is disguised as news."
— Willi Muzenberg
www.heretical.com/miscella/munzen.html

Reality is largely meaningless when in it's place is promulgated a mythic narrative
intended to promote turmoil and dissenting thought is declared ' crazy ' or ' antisocial '.

" When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations ,
the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its speaker a raving lunatic."
— James Dresden

" Once a government is committed to the principle of silencing the voice of opposition,
it has only one way to go, and that is down the path of increasingly repressive measures,
until it becomes a source of terror to all its citizens and creates a country where
everyone lives in fear." — Harry S. Truman

www.salon.com/2010/01/15/sunstein_2
Cass Sunstein close advisor of Barack Obama has counseled
" The existence of both domestic and foreign conspiracy theories, we suggest,
is no trivial matter, posing real risks to the government's antiterrorism policies,
whatever the latter may be." " the best response consists in cognitive infiltration
of extremist groups ", " Government agents ( and their allies ) might enter chat
rooms, online social networks, or even real-space groups and attempt to
undermine percolating conspiracy theories by raising doubts about their factual
premises, causal logic or implications for political action."

I pledge allegiance to the infrastructure of the Homeland Security Agency
and to the totalitarian Washington oligarchy which it serves ,
one world order under closed circuit television ,
omnipresent with oversight and surveillance for all.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2nosoe_ron-paul-warns-amer...
or here _
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7N7D3xA1IA

" telling us what to think has evolved into telling us what to say ,
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[*] posted on 30-8-2015 at 16:09


Regardless of the issue of climate change, the thread title "Climate Science for the Amateur" is a suggestive title indeed.

One conceives several experiments well suited for the amateur, for example, though international diplomacy has succeeded in curtailing the distribution of a class of aerosol propellants under the guise of the potential for the "depletion" of an ozone layer, named chlorofluorocarbons or CFC's, the science beyond this is still much under debate. Now the role of the amaterur comes into play!

The chlorocarbons - so alleges the hypothesis - exert an effect on the oxone layer by photolysis to chlorine and carbon radicals... It seems apparent then, that to meauser this effect it would be necessary to dispense a quantity of such a gas into the layer of the atmosphere. This can be done via balloons. The amateure will find it easy to prepare a samole of chloroform by ordinary means - as stated above, the fluorinated element is simply for rhetorical effect in the diplomatic negotiations - and to release a balloon laden, somehow, with the chlorocarbon and filled with such a lifting gas as hydrogen or helium such tat it will burst, in the sky, at the appropriate altitude having brought the substance at least nearer to it's goal. Indeed, one may prepare a number of such balloons and distribute them to local schoolchildren, enticing them to take part in an 'epochal experiment'! Then by spectro-photometric means one may measure the decline in concentration of ozone gas in its layer: if it looks less blue (the sky) well then, it clearly worked.

One may imagine other applications of this technology if the hypothetical causation is borne out. It has been claimed that flora, fauna, the ecosystem, and the general rates of skin cancer among human beings would all be affected. Perhaps then, it should have a role in America's military arsenal. In addition ultra violet rays are already used by medical practitioners to sterilize their tools: perhaps a decrease in ozone concentration, with the concomitant increase in said flux would lead to a resurgence in the public practice of that noblest craft of surgery.

Speaking of which, I recently imagined that a good bloodletting would do me good. Tradition can hardly be wrong. No, really. But not trusting myself to do the procedure well I asked my barber if he could help me... he looked at me like I was crazy! I said, well what's that spinning pole doing outside your window then? Ah, well.




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[*] posted on 31-8-2015 at 04:35


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[*] posted on 31-8-2015 at 08:55


I can't believe that blogfast is allowed to trounce over everyone that he doesn't agree with. I thought the moderators were supposed to eliminate these people from the gene pool. What is going on in this thread?
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[*] posted on 31-8-2015 at 09:09


Quote: Originally posted by jharmon12  
I can't believe that blogfast is allowed to trounce over everyone that he doesn't agree with. I thought the moderators were supposed to eliminate these people from the gene pool. What is going on in this thread?


Read the thread and see how these people 'trounce' back. Perhaps you're showing your own bias on the issue, seeing the 'trouncing' from the side you disagree with but not from the side you agree with?

And 'eliminating people from the gene pool' sounds a little ominous too, you know?

Moderators should have dumped this turd of a thread in detritus a long time ago. There's nothing scientific about it.

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[*] posted on 1-9-2015 at 21:01
I can't help thinking Irwin Allen — right !


http://gma.yahoo.com/president-obama-dont-condemn-children-p...

See it on film instead , The Day After Tomorrow ( 2004 )
www.comingsoon.net/movies/features/443367-the-15-biggest-dis...
www.dailymotion.com/video/x2igq9u_the-day-after-tomorrow-onl...
www.dailymotion.com/video/x2ihipy_the-day-after-tomorrow-onl...


Better still

Two Days Before the Day After Tomorrow
http://southpark.cc.com/clips/103840/who-to-blame
http://southpark.cc.com/clips/155004/randys-theory
http://southpark.cc.com/clips/103844/we-didnt-listen
http://southpark.cc.com/clips/155007/community-center
http://southpark.cc.com/clips/155009/randys-map-drawing


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[*] posted on 14-10-2015 at 21:24


Political Climatology
www.foxnews.com/science/2015/10/14/obama-took-wrong-side-on-...
Interview
www.theregister.co.uk/2015/10/11/freeman_dyson_interview
critical lapses in the study of climate _
www.thegwpf.org/content/uploads/2015/10/benefits1.pdf




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[*] posted on 26-12-2015 at 10:14


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