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[*] posted on 11-5-2016 at 21:50
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Well, results are on the World. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyCohWrcSoc&feature=gp-n...
For some next attempts I recommended use some different composition, ratios, because with LiClO4 is material much soft, as porridge. And even expensive. Important is, that it was worked. It is not for NM mixture never of course. From classic detonator. Maybe will be better, used again only KClO3. Material will be more density for better manipulation. And much cheap, of course. Problem can be high reactive KClO3 in any mix. But it is question next examination. ...LL...:cool:
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[*] posted on 12-5-2016 at 15:42


I am very impressed, I am even wondering if this mixture could be set off by flash powder...it seems very sensitive. From your test I would say KCl03 is a tad more touchy in this mixture.

That had some power... Donier, would you be up to seeing if .2grams of your super flash could set this mixture off?
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[*] posted on 13-5-2016 at 03:04
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I know Dornier super flashpowders. Huge work on deminers the field. In this direction I recommended working on quality NPED detonator on ETN based. From a practical produce of amount for detonators. ETN is good, maybe best way for initiation of anything. 300 - 500 mg as output segment is certain for all next attempts. ..LL...:cool:
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[*] posted on 13-5-2016 at 03:10


Quote: Originally posted by Laboratory of Liptakov  
I know Dornier super flashpowders. Huge work on deminers the field. In this direction I recommended working on quality NPED detonator on ETN based. From a practical produce of amount for detonators. ETN is good, maybe best way for initiation of anything. 300 - 500 mg as output segment is certain for all next attempts. ..LL...:cool:


Isn't MHN more powerful and sensitive than ETN? It should be even better for NPEDs, though mannitol is not so common as erythritol.
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[*] posted on 13-5-2016 at 05:30
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Well, this is maybe main reason for large using ETN. Mannitol alcoholic sugar is for deminers with source from the hospital. Erythritol is for everybody in civilisation the world. Thanks huge amount diabetics. Will be impossible for every government restricted sales this sugar. Farmaceutical lobby is against. It is much a big business. And is every a year a bigger. (huhaha) ...LL...:D
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[*] posted on 13-5-2016 at 08:07


Quote: Originally posted by OneEyedPyro  
Quote: Originally posted by Laboratory of Liptakov  
I know Dornier super flashpowders. Huge work on deminers the field. In this direction I recommended working on quality NPED detonator on ETN based. From a practical produce of amount for detonators. ETN is good, maybe best way for initiation of anything. 300 - 500 mg as output segment is certain for all next attempts. ..LL...:cool:


Isn't MHN more powerful and sensitive than ETN? It should be even better for NPEDs, though mannitol is not so common as erythritol.

Following Rudolf-Meyer Explosives book, sensitivity of MN, EGDN, NG, ETN is 0.2 N/m while that of MHN is 0.8 N/m --> MHN is 4 times less sensitive...
Since 1N = 98gr +/- = 100gr
0.2N/m is equivalent to the fall of:
a 20g weight from 1 meter
a 200 g weight from 10 cm
a 2kg weight from 1 cm
Explosive pressed between two hard metallic surfaces...




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[*] posted on 13-5-2016 at 13:20
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Ha! One Eyed... This is important information. This difference I see firstly. Thanks about it. For system NPED I estimate will be better ETN. However is necessary say, that impact test is not all for construction quality deflagration- detonation- transfer ( DDT ). ETN is according international order secondary substance. Not primary. And it is important for next examinations on the field of Non Primary Explosives Detonator..:cool:...LL
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[*] posted on 13-5-2016 at 23:58


I don't have access to nitromethane so testing the exact same mixture will not be possible. From what I saw in Liptakov's video I'd say it can be kicked to high order detonation with much less than 300 mg ETN. 200 mg of my best nano flash could very well work. It's not as brisant as for example lead azide, but does detonate and delivers five times as much energy.
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[*] posted on 14-5-2016 at 02:02
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I tried several times nanopowder according Dornier, but results was weakly, than original. Produce 200mg for me, was so much work, almost madness. Therefore I recommended ETN as base for NPED...LL..
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[*] posted on 14-5-2016 at 10:42


Donier, I think your FP would kick it off. Theoretically I think that would be significant because the whole system would contain no primary, or no pseudo primary such as ETN... I think it would be interesting.
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[*] posted on 14-5-2016 at 10:45


What kind of nano flash (KClO4/ferrocerium etc?)
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[*] posted on 15-5-2016 at 04:25


Some thoughts.

1) Acetic acid + tetranitromethane = trinitroacetic acid?

CH3COOH+C(NO2)4=C(NO2)3COOH+CH3NO2 (which would bubble out of solution.)

2) Ammonium chloride + trinitroacetic acid = dinitroaminoacetic acid?

NH4Cl+C(NO2)3COOH=C(NO2)2COONH3+HCl

These might be rubbish because I am just speculating.
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[*] posted on 15-5-2016 at 07:20


Quote: Originally posted by Eosin Y again  
Some thoughts.

1) Acetic acid + tetranitromethane = trinitroacetic acid?

CH3COOH+C(NO2)4=C(NO2)3COOH+CH3NO2 (which would bubble out of solution.)

2) Ammonium chloride + trinitroacetic acid = dinitroaminoacetic acid?

NH4Cl+C(NO2)3COOH=C(NO2)2COONH3+HCl

These might be rubbish because I am just speculating.

Right! Speculative full of mistakes irrealistic dreams!

[Edited on 15-5-2016 by PHILOU Zrealone]




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[*] posted on 15-5-2016 at 13:27
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Research nano powders I appreciate very much. But so far, unfortunately, I have not seen one functional detonator based on nano powder. Against this, NPED on ETN based worked. Hundred exemplars was tested and really it worked. With fuse, with different ratios and different additives. MineMan trying ETN + Mg + KClO4 and DDT worked this. Results I not see, but belive that worked. If nanopowder hacked 2mm steel plate (hole through) , after it, I will belive. It will be a small hole in plate, but big jump for all deminers...:cool:...LL
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[*] posted on 15-5-2016 at 14:27


Some nano flash powders show incredibly fast DDT and fairly good brisance usually more often associated with molecular primaries, I think some would be good candidates for use in detonators in terms of raw performance.

What I don't understand is why anyone would want to use a nano flash powder in place of ETN considering that the static spark sensitivity is typically much worse with FPs, not to mention how metallic fuel/oxidizer mixtures are often not storage stable over time and how insanely hard nano flash is to make in practical quantities.

ETN is safe yet just sensitive enough to be used in NPEDs, it has shown to be reliable and effective etc.
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[*] posted on 15-5-2016 at 15:58


OneEyed, I agree, good points.

Yes LL, that mixture does work, quite well... I might say I am quite impressed with myself!
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[*] posted on 15-5-2016 at 21:36
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Albert Einstein once said: Things should be done, as simply as possible. But not simpler. And I say: things should be done so simply, to fulfill its purpose...:cool:...LL
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[*] posted on 16-5-2016 at 13:16


True or false?

And by the same token trichloroacetic acid + nitric acid = trinitroacetic acid?

The above would be better because it would give a higher oxygen percentage, allowing for more explosive, more dense transition metal salts.

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[*] posted on 16-5-2016 at 13:34


That isn't going to work.

2HNO3 + CHCl2(COOH) -> CH(NO2)2(COOH) + 2HOCl (!)

The (hypothetically formed) hypochlorous acid would then oxidize the substituted acetic acid even further, forming a large mess.

Regardless, Cl+ is a better electrophile than NO2+, and so any proposed electrophilic substitution would not work.

Nitrite, on the other hand, may work, as is the case in the lab-scale preparation of nitromethane from chloroacetic acid and sodium nitrite -- the nitrite isomerizes to a nitro due to the electron withdrawing properties of the carboxylic acid substituent.
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[*] posted on 16-5-2016 at 13:46


Oh. So 2NaNO2+2HCl+CH(Cl)2(COOH)=CH(NO2)2(COOH)+2HCl?
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[*] posted on 17-5-2016 at 04:52


Next please...
C3N3Cl3H3+3HNO3=C3N6O9+3HCl+3H
I can't find any literature references.

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[*] posted on 17-5-2016 at 05:06


C3N3Cl3H3???
What is this? This cannot be an existing cyclic compound. We have C3N3Cl3 (cyanuric chloride) and C3N3Cl3O3 (TCCA) but not C3N3Cl3H3.




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[*] posted on 17-5-2016 at 05:08


Sorry about the typo. C3N3Cl3O3. I was wondering why my reaction didn't make sense!
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[*] posted on 17-5-2016 at 07:22


Quote: Originally posted by Laboratory of Liptakov  
Albert Einstein once said: Things should be done, as simply as possible. But not simpler. And I say: things should be done so simply, to fulfill its purpose...:cool:...LL

The K.I.S.S. pragmatism...
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[*] posted on 17-5-2016 at 07:31


Quote: Originally posted by glymes  
True or false?

And by the same token trichloroacetic acid + nitric acid = trinitroacetic acid?

The above would be better because it would give a higher oxygen percentage, allowing for more explosive, more dense transition metal salts.

[Edited on 16-5-2016 by glymes]

Oh NO!
You again!
I recognised your DNA!

-Octonitrocubane
-A nitrogen rich explosive
-Eosin Y
-Eosin Y again

You keep on doing the same mistakes again and again!
Write équations correctly please avoid = symbol and gross molecular formulas!
1°)Valences carbon is tetravalent --> you miss a H atom
2°)If your compound do existed it would be a diprotic acid and with a base, the protons would be lost and replaced by the metal...so again the same kind of mistakes as you usally did under your previous ID's.
3°)Nitration will happen on the acidic H and form eventually dichloronitroacetic acid, such compound will more than certainly decarboxylate into dichloronitromethane.
4°)The later will maybe disproportionate into chloropicrin and chloronitromethane or nitromethane; or nitrate further forming dichlorodinitromethane but with a high risk of formation of NxOy and phosgen (Cl2C=O) because geminal NO2 are unstable and easily turns into nitrite esters.


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