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Distillation kit
Ok I want to get a distillation set. I mostly do inorganic chemistry. I would like to get the cheaper one that uses stoppers and tubing but I was
wondering if I'll regret it and wish I got the glass joint what is the better choice? (I did UTFSE but my situation is different because I only like
inorganics which can be very different than organic)
http://www.amazon.com/American-Educational-Products-7-400-2-...
http://www.amazon.com/Master-Distillers-1000ml-Distillation-...
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Just buy glass joints and a proper tube of grease. It's worth it if your interests change. Should you have to sell it, you probably will do okay with
a glass kit, but there's not much market for stoppers and tubing. Also, if you have any intention of making nitric acid at some point, it cant be done
with stoppers.
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If you do get a glass kit make sure you choose a joint size that is common to get around your area.
Its a pain to replace 1-2 pieces that you can not get locally.
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I use 24/40 joints for my distillation apparatus. it is essential if you are into organic chemistry, in inorganic I don't see a bigger use other than
synthesis of some acids for the home chemist, other more advance stuff would require inert-atmosphere distillations. I think it would be a very good
experience for you to go into OC, it is really a new world!
btw go for the glass joint, if you are going to do inorganic chemistry and work with acids like nitric acid then you'll want to have only glass, even
if it's more expensive... also another point in favor is the condenser, it has much more superficial area and also allows water cooling, so I would go
for that one!!
Also the condenser will allow you to do organic chemistry if you decide to explore new frontiers in a future!
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Would a 14/45 joint be a good size.
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It depends if it is easy for you to get glass equipment for the distillation apparatus that are 14/45. the classical ones are 24/40 and 14/20, at
least in this side of the world...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ground_glass_joint
24/40 joint means that it is 24mm at the top (widest diameter of the joint), and 40mm long knowing this as higher the numbers are, the more expensive
the pieces will be
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I think I'll get this. Do you guys think that it looks like a good set?
(thanks for the help)
http://www.amazon.com/MHB-LB120-500KA-Distillation-Apparatus...
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My vogel (3rd edition) published in 1948 basically calls
-http://www.amazon.com/American-Educational-Products-7-400-2-Distilling/dp/B006582LF8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1386030685&sr=8-1&keywords=di
stillation+kit
outdated and impractical.
you should look for something with 2 ground glass flasks, a 3-way adapter, a condenser with 2 ground glass joints, a 105* vacuum takeoff adapter and a
thermometer adapter.
that way you can buy much cheaper adapters to mix and match, that way you have a lot more choice. also if something breaks it's cheaper and easier to
replace
http://www.ebay.com/itm/500ml-Distillation-apparatus-Distill...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1000ml-Distillation-set-distillation...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2000ml-Distillation-set-distillation...
These are from china, but unless you will be using extreme temperatures and/or vacuum you won't need anything else. You can also get separate flasks
for different scale distillations
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Crap. This is the closest I could find to match what you suggested. It's expensive but I can most likely get it. Do you think it's ok? My dad doesn't
let me use Ebay.
http://www.amazon.com/Carolina-Distillation-Apparatus/dp/B00...
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www.laboyglass.com
Will he let you buy from here? I got some of my stuff from here and it's pretty good quality, nothing like the German stuff but still pretty good.
http://www.amazon.com/MHB-ST-3SET-Vacuum-Distillation-Set/dp...
this one is far better.
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I could get the amazon one. Thanks for the help! By the way look at the facepalm review.
http://www.amazon.com/MHB-ST-3SET-Vacuum-Distillation-Set/pr...
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I might be able to get some thing off ebay.
I think I want this. (I want 24/40 joints)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Lab-Glassware-Kit-Distillation-A...
How can you tell what size burette clamps to get? Will these work?
http://www.amazon.com/LabStock-Burette-Clamp/dp/B007BR53SO/r...
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I would buy http://www.amazon.com/MHB-ST-3SET-Vacuum-Distillation-Set/dp...
or a set from laboy like this one:
http://laboyglass.com/advanced-chemistry-lab-glassware-kit-2...
this one has an addition funnel, claisen adapter, a choice of condensers, including more efficient ones and multi-neck flasks. All of these are
inevitable when doing anything more than the most basic org. chem.
for a little more money you get a LOT more value, the ebay one is from an unknown Chinese source and could be a massive disappointment, many SM
members (including me) can vouch for laboy and it's quality.
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I would really love to but I can't afford it
Although I do not plan to do any organic chemistry for some reason it doesn't apeal to me.
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WHAT! 
basically everything that can be distilled is organic. but you will be kicking yourelf if you go for a cheapo setup now and later have to spend more
money for a few extra things, an then there's the shipping time.
what exactly is your interest in chem?
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I love inorganics.
I'll make many acids, bromine, HCN and other toxic and corrosive things where improper glassware could hurt me.
I might be able to get the amazon one if I can earn some cash. (most of it would be paid for as a christmas gift)
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do you mean glassware clamps or burette clamps? you only need burette clamps if you need to do titrations,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burette
https://www.google.com/search?q=laboratory+clamp&tbm=isc...
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Oh I thought they where used for both.
I guess I meant glassware clamps then.
It appears that they are included in the vacuum set that I think I will buy.
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Pyro, some places call a glassware clamp a "burette clamp", I've seen it a few times, but mostly on HST (HomeScinceTools) http://www.hometrainingtools.com/clamp-burette/p/CE-CLAMP/.
I recemend a 14/20 kit or a 24/40 kit, i wouldn't go with a cheapo Chinese distillation kit, Layboy is great ,Synthware is alwso a great , and
chemglass also has verity of glassware. Also stock up on clamps , you don't relies how many times i need another clamp because my set up is to big or
a have more than one reaction going.
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Would a retort be affective to make Nitric acid?
I think it would heat up to fast and then not condense it very well.
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I will say this,, I NEVER regret having spent almost $100 on a good ground glass distillation set with clamps and stands... This is in 19/22 size.
19/22 is good for mid sized reactions, 14/20 (I think) is for even smaller sized, while the expensive but cool 14/10 sizes are great for micro
reactions.
24/40 is standard for US, and is a great all around size for every situation.
You will NOT regret buying an all glass distillation set, and you WILL MOST CERTAINLY regret buying a cheap cork/rubber stopper based distillation set
unless you plan on never distilling any acids. You will almost certainly look back and think "Damn, why didn't I just get the glass set when I had the
cash...."
HNO3 is one such acid that even inorganic chemists will want to have around and you cannot create it with a rubber stopper based, high school level
distillation rig...
Spend the extra $30-50 bucks,, and get a full glass set.
I purchased my first 19/22, full glass, ChemGlass brand distillation rig on ebay for $80...
I now have a full lab with multiple ground glass sizes, adapters and the like, and I still come back to 19/22 for my level of work (100mL -500mL), if
you plan to work higher than 500mL, I highly recommend 24/40
Or as others said, if you are across the pond,, use what is in your area,, 24/49, or w/e it is
Don't buy cheap, you will only regret it.
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I know, I would never buy a distillation set up unless it was full glass, a retort however, is full glass, and its much cheaper, would it work?
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Bluntly: this is one time where it pays to buy the jointed glass set. A retort has it's uses but I've found , though hard won experience, that is
really is better not to buy less when you can buy better. A 24/40 jointed set, even a set from Laboy( though I'd advise a standard organic kit for ANY
starting situation. Inorganic chemistry can still use those different pieces just as well) is much safer and more reliable long term. Unintentional
was right: there isn't really any market for a used rubber stopper distillation kit. Buy a Jointed kit and you will be glad you did.Save the retort
for the theater dorks.
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i already ordered the vacuum distillation set and it arived today. i couln't afford a glassware kit .
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Organic Glassware Kit
About to purchase this Glassware set
http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Advanced-Organic-Chemistry-Lab-G...
Just looking for anybodys thoughts on SGV scientific and there glassware. First big boy distillation rig. Thanks
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