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etn explosive Combination with tnt
Hi, Is it etn be combined with tnt (melted together 50-50) for the booster?
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Please try to reword your sentence in a way that makes sense, and use proper capitalization of acronyms.
Also give more information, and try to do the stoichiometry yourself, to make the ETN-TNT mixture oxygen balanced. (Which is what I think you are
talking about.)
If you can't be bothered to do a little research, I can't be bothered to help you.
(No insult implied.)
[Edited on 10-2-2014 by Zyklonb]
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| Quote: | | Hi, Is it etn be combined with tnt (melted together 50-50) for the booster?
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Heating ETN to its melting point is extremely hazardous and should not be attempted . . .
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DO NOT MELT ETN: http://www.sciencemadness.org/talk/viewthread.php?tid=16612
Learn from other's mistakes.
[Edited on 10-2-2014 by Zyklonb]
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valmaramine
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flame
etn flame is burning or exploding?
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It can be exploded by heat or flame, especially when in contact with Aluminum.
A sample enclosed in Aluminum foil left on a hot plate or exposed to a flame so it heats up slowly to the melting point and then past will pretty
reliably detonate.
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TNT melts at 80C ETN melts at 60C, this would be a useless composition. If you would like to explore cast compositions with much higher power than
classical TNT comps. Look into SAFE, affective ways of casting ETN, and then incorporate good explosives into a cast that do not have a melt cartable
property by themselves like RDX and HMX, but using ETN as the cast explosive. I predict a cast comp of ETN/RDX (or HMX) could have a density over
1.7g/cm3 depending on other factors, I think this would be incredibly brisant and powerful
Also consider slurries of liquid explosive base like NG or EGDN and add various amounts and form of RDX, HMX, PETN etc.
ETN doesn't automatically explode when it is melted, this is a big misconception, depending on HOW it is heated, I even had an accident in my garage
of a small amount of almost residue left over ETN detonating from heatshock on the bottom of a glass beaker. Nitroglycerin does the same thing.
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I tried it. ETN/DNT/TNT. They don't mix at all and require booster, even when the ETN above 80%.
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Thank you friends. After making etn no value at all. Standard explosives such as picric acid and tetryl all the better.
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valmaramine
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Friends, what a booster is suitable for blowing up TNT?
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I won't interfere to moderate in EM,
but to me that sounds very unscientific and 'kewlish.'
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I don't think you're going to get any answers, if you continue to ask questions that are similar what you have been asking.
Also, most (all?) of your questions can answered with a simple Google search.
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i would like to suggest you to somehow stream it online for people to see how brilliantly easy it is to mix liquid TNT with pure white fluffy ETN in a
steel container, ofcourse with the camera at distance so you could get a full view of the reaction
but idk.. i usually dont have any good advices laying around..?
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valmaramine
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Anyway, thank you all.
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valmaramine
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Thank you so much, you're curious how to do it، antiswat?
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Use PETN instead of ETN because while melting there are90% chances that you ETN detonates and you have your limbs flying away
Girls break promises like a small child breaks pencil tips so don't trust girl bcoz no girl=no tension
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etn explosives is not standard and in my opinion not worth making. Petn not too high even for military applications. I still use a mortar fuze booster
petn've never seen it. Rdx and tetryl, but I've seen it plenty.
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bfesser: It might come across as k3wlish, but it may just be a language barrier, with a lack of experience too. Though I have reservations about his
application.
valmaramine: Don't do what Antiswat said. He was being sarcastic, but you had difficulty reading it that way. He is implying that you might get a
detonation while people online watch you die/dismember. By the way, what is your native language?
We are worried about spoonfeeding you too much, given the nature of your questions. Search for the things you are questioning about on google, but
include site:sciencemadness.org. You are hoping that the experienced people here will give some educated advice, only they've already said
it in the past and don't want to repeat it again. Just keep reading the old threads. You'll find what you want plus far more. You'll learn things
that you never thought to ask. Remember that for boosters you are looking for something more sensitive than TNT (with power) but with less
sensitivity than a primary; midrange.
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valmaramine
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No I do not melt etn. Worry. I listen to your words. I thought he would do it!!!
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I've had an old ETN sample stay the whole summer on the sun in a black case, being melted everyday for weeks, with the experiment lasting the whole
summer. Not only did I keep my window, but it didn't look too bad after all that.
The safety is in your head.
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So the ETN did not explode Ral123? I have melted 2g of ETN in a plastic straw using hot water, and plenty of flame tests when the ETN would melt
before burning, the only time I have seen it explode is when it's a small amount in contact with something metal or glass that is very hot.
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The sample didn't look decomposed. It had a smell reminding HNO3, but very little.
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That's cool, I'm planning on doing a test with ETN as soon as I can get some erythritol. Just leave about 2-3 grams outside (in a plastic container)
for a long time, and see how long at will last.
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What do you mean leave outside?
My biggest question that I cannot answer is this: When ETN is molten in larger amounts, is the risk of detonation higher? Because if it is that same
as melting 500mg in a straw in hot water, the risk may not be as high as we have thought. People have casted 20g amounts of ETN before without
explosion, just need to be clever and thoughtful with your heating method (hot water with a plastic vessel containing the ETN seems to work well).
Cast ETN is one of the most brisant AND powerful explosives, after we start testing 10-50g casts, then explore cast compositions of ETN and other
explosives that by themselves are not castable, but otherwise have high crystal density like RDX and HMX, for example a melt of 35:65 -- ETN:RDX/HMX.
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The trouble with ETN is it starts acting like a primary when its molten. Not instant detonation, but more sensitive. Would you be willing to stir
20-100 grams of primary? When you get larger amounts you might get more casual/complacent with it (for whatever reason) or not be able to give it the
respect you can with 2g, and the negative side of accidental detonation gets worse than lost digits.
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