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kmno4
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Quote: Originally posted by Antiswat  |
ordered 1kg NH4NO3 over polish site named strzaly
....dont order ammonium nitrate from poland if you live in scandinavian countries
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Sory, but you behaved like an idiot.
foreign NH4NO3 + scandinavian countries = another Breivik
1 kg of NH4NO3 was a sample, next order would be 1000 kg....
So hard to anticipate it ?
| Quote: | | All official companies selling such things in Poland are monitored by Polish "security services" |
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Woelen, just simply fuck off strzały. I understand that you wanted to order something from there but you did not succeed and you do not like them
very much.
Слава Україні !
Героям слава !
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Fantasma4500
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yes woelen, i was abit worried if they would see those signs, and very luckily its now changed..
popi.. AN for shake and bake?? shows how little i know about meth synthesis.. lol 
kmno4: yes i indeed felt the risk and decided to pull it, that price is literally less than sugar in my own country
i shall not interlude in you guys internal friction however..
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woelen
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@kmno4: A site like Strzały's is bad for the hobby of pyrotechnics and also for the hobby of general home chemistry. It has improved, however, a
little bit, but still I would be very reluctant to order something from them if I wanted some of these chemicals. I expect a seller of chemicals to
have a certain professional appearance and not to look like k3wl's heaven. Compare it with e.g. pyrogarage.pl or Keten's site, then you certainly
understand what I mean. From the latter two I have ordered some chemicals (Keten has quite a few less common things like P2S3 and pyrogarage has very
affordable metal powders and metal compounds).
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Illusionist
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Did you get the computer back, or at least asked for a copy of your data so you could finish school?
Being parano on computer security, i am pretty sure they are taking their time to install key-loggers and all sort of crap spy-ware in your pc. I
would not trust a computer that spent more than 60 seconds in the hands of those specialists as they might change things directly on the hardware.
I guess that someone with a full disk encryption hardened linux cluster would be even more suspicious for them.
I Hope you can get over all that hassle soon.
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| Quote: | | someone you believe to be a danger, yet confiscate the computer...? |
Computer records can be used as Evidence, so it's standard practice to steal your computer if you get investigated for anything other than jaywalking.
Law Enforcement is really hard these days, so what is required is Hard (drive) Evidence.
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Refinery
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Everything's up to computers nowadays so it's a standard practice to seize computer.
I got raided times ago for similar order and got my computers seized. I had FDE in use though so they couldn't get anything out from them, and as a
revenge they kept them for several months and threatened this and that. I told them that I was a decent chemistry hobbyist and explained some simple
experiments I was conducting and eventually they dropped the case and returned all the stuff. But they came in force, the setup was at least twice as
large as Antiswat's, and those boys didn't bother to knock.
This is why I buy my chems OTC and nowadays my hobby concentrates mostly around the question: how complicated stuff can one make from OTC? Ammonium
nitrate is sold everywhere, although it's very cut, containing mostly 30-50% max and EU limits the max content of ammonium nitrate nitrogen to 16% for
consumers, this limit does not apply for companies. OTC AN contains other crap like sulfates it must be purified, but a proper chemist does this like
no tomorrow..
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Fantasma4500
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sulfates?? i thought its still in belgium and south europe just regular KAS
i know that you can in croatia buy 25kg where 18kg of that will be AN, at least, so supposing those 25kg is standard 80 20 AN CaCO3 would make sense,
only 2kg lost AN purifying it
price about 10 euro for 25 kg.. totally blowing my mind
they didnt know on my door because they were entirely sure my door was one big bomb, not making this up
think they asked me +10 times whether i set up any booby traps etc
anyhow in 1.5 months we'll see what this ends up with or well.. one month now
if i get the main computer back ill sell it to someone, one week old when it was taken and i have gotten a new one in the meantime, but the hardware
would be on the HDD anyways wouldnt it?? hard discs arent that expensive
also.. i found one of their police scanners, expensive thing.. we looked brand and model up
not sure how the hell they managed to drop that thing outside while searching for terrorisms
finders keep..
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woelen
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KAS (Kalk Ammon Salpeter, which is pure NH4NO3, mixed with magnesium carbonate and/or calcium carbonate and/or magnesium oxide) is not available
anymore for the general public. There is a replacement. It is an intimate mix of 50% NH4NO3 and 50% (NH4)2SO4. Optionally, magnesium carbonate,
calcium carbonate or magnesium oxide may be mixed in, but these can easily be removed by adding the fertilizer to water and then leaching out. In some
brands you can even manually separate the prills, white prills for the ammonium sulfate/nitrate mix and grey prills for the carbonates. Separating the
ammonium sulfate and nitrate, however, is not trivial.
This new fertilizer is not interesting anymore for its anionic content, but still it is a great cheap source of ammonia gas. Mixing the ammonium
sulfate/nitrate mix with NaOH and adding a few drops of water results in formation of a lot of ammonia gas.
The nitrogen contents of these fertilizers is appr. 25 in the N-P-K rating, or somewhat lower if the Ca-salts or Mg-salts are mixed in.
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Burner
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Couldn't you just use some agricultural calcium nitrate to make quick work of the sulfate and turn the whole mix into ammonium nitrate?
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woelen
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Where I live, calcium nitrate is not that easy to obtain, calcium fertilizers are based on calcium carbonate over here, usually mixed with other
soluble fertilizer-components. And besides that, you first need to know the precise composition of the ammonium sulfate/ammonium nitrate mix.
The idea is nice though, if you have calcium nitrate or can obtain that easily, then this is an option to get reasonably pure ammonium nitrate.
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Burner
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A small scale titration of the sulphate/nitrate mix with the calcium nitrate (until no cloudiness from the calcium sulfate is observed) would get you
pretty close.
BTW, even Ebay has calcium nitrate (http://www.ebay.com/itm/25-Pounds-Calcium-Nitrate-Calcinit-W...) for about 1USD/pound delivered.
[Edited on 27-6-2014 by Burner]
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woelen
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That link is meaningless in the context of this thread. It is in the USA and they do not ship to Europe. In Europe we have certain chemicals which are
hard to get, while they are easy to obtain in the USA. On the other hand, over here other chemicals are easier to get (e.g. iodine, red P). It is just
a matter of what governments fear most.
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