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This thread is about compositions that detonate, not ones that deflagrate. Please post this in an appropriate thread.
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NaClO4
Explosives on NaClO4 based, you can see here. His VoD is from 5200 - 7000m/s. Very cheap, easy and very brisant.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gC_XYAaAWqc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYFT-JFr7Ow
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Is Sodium perchlorate commonly available as a technical grade chemical in your country?
In my experience, only the Potassium and ammonium salts are cheap and easily sourced in the USA. If Sodium perchlorate can be found at all, it's a
higher priced reagent grade.
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NaClO4
It is usually necessary to prepare NaClO4 in laboratory. Commercial availability worldwide miserable, difficult. Preparation is in a few steps. NaCl
(table salt) or bleach. Prepare NaClO3 from the bleach is on you tube about 10x. Next step is conversion NaClO3 on NaClO4. Hot melt method (on YT) ,
or this method on youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZnYqmbiukI
Small amount a few % NaClO3 (in NaClO4) is for this type explosive not important. Thus, high explosive from table salt. Get or making HNO3 and H2SO4
is usually difficulty, than produce-prepare NaClO4. Conditions are a quality electrodes, of course. For ClO4....... LL.....
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We have made some experiments on this explosive and archieve to reach 6500 VOD, however I'm not comfortable with aluminium powder and water mix. It
seems quite safe, but I dont feel safe with that.
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It are very good results. I recommend decrease content of water for better VoD. Content of aluminium is only for quickly using during 24 hrs. Without
aluminium is this composition high stabile. Feel of discomfort with explosives? It is usually. It are explosives. It is for hard guys. ...LL ...
[Edited on 11-6-2016 by Laboratory of Liptakov]
[Edited on 12-6-2016 by Laboratory of Liptakov]
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We're trying some alternatives to Alum. Also Iron Oxide gives promising resuts.
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Alum is a mixed sulphate salt ─ and the symbol for aluminium is Al!
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NaClO4 Source worldwide shipping
found NACLO4 98% Source....PM for contact
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P/M?
Why not just give us the link?
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NaClO4
Hmm.. worldwide shipping ? Personal message ? Why? Science madness is not commerce or business organisation.
Or is "energeticone" a new nick for NSA collect information ? /huaha/ .......LL
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Reagent707@gmail.com
110 USD /KG 98% NACLO4 Monohydrate
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Just for the info:
98% NaClO4.H2O = 85,4% NaClO4
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...I stand corrected...
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Very important info from Philou. 100 grams monohydrate is only 85,4 grams of dry NaClO4. But this salt is very hygroscopic. Therefore is usually
better heated monohydrate over 140 C and preparation total absolutly dry salt. Easy shortly process on inert surface. After dryed do precise and
quickly weighing to some composition. Thanks.....LL
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isn't that very expensive?
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Yes, about 25 times what I would consider reasonable for this as a technical grade chemical. The problem being, most of the production of this goes
straight to industrial uses, often in the same plant it was made in. So no cheap, tech grade in small ammounts on offer at resellers as with
Potassium or ammonium perchlorates.
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110 USD is very expensive. Because titan anode 5 x 7,5 cm , coated platinum is price on e-bay 75 USD. Or less, at details looking for. Even 60 USD for
2 piece. I estimate, that 98% purity NaClO4, amount 1 Kg is possible prepared
with one this anode. Maybe even more, before partially damage platinum coated the surface. How much NaClO4 is possible prepare, it is question for
experienced galvanic experts... ...LL
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Quote: Originally posted by Bert  | | Yes, about 25 times what I would consider reasonable for this as a technical grade chemical. The problem being, most of the production of this goes
straight to industrial uses, often in the same plant it was made in. So no cheap, tech grade in small ammounts on offer at resellers as with
Potassium or ammonium perchlorates. |
Then point others with a link in the right direction in Continental US. It doesnt exist
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| Quote: Originally posted by Laboratory of Liptakov | 110 USD is very expensive. Because titan anode 5 x 7,5 cm , coated platinum is price on e-bay 75 USD. Or less, at details looking for. Even 60 USD for
2 piece. I estimate, that 98% purity NaClO4, amount 1 Kg is possible prepared
with one this anode. Maybe even more, before partially damage platinum coated the surface. How much NaClO4 is possible prepare, it is question for
experienced galvanic experts... ...LL
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...Good luck finding a supplier in the Continental US ...
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| Quote: Originally posted by Laboratory of Liptakov | 110 USD is very expensive. Because titan anode 5 x 7,5 cm , coated platinum is price on e-bay 75 USD. Or less, at details looking for. Even 60 USD for
2 piece. I estimate, that 98% purity NaClO4, amount 1 Kg is possible prepared
with one this anode. Maybe even more, before partially damage platinum coated the surface. How much NaClO4 is possible prepare, it is question for
experienced galvanic experts... ...LL
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forget about Platinum anode since it will be destroyed for Perchlorate.
My advice, Use Graphite Substrate Lead Dioxide anode. it only costs 60 dollors and will make a lot of NaCl4
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Those two youtube videos are "unavailable". 
I wonder, what was the composition used? Was it NaClO4 and diethylene glycol?
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NaClO4 75 + DEG 25 + Water 5 - 15 + optional item: guar gum 1, Al 2 - 5. Dr.
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Since Sodium Perchlorate has a number of hydrates this will need to be noted if yields are being weighed and calculated. Which hydrate forms depends
on the solution concentration and temperature as your product crystallizes. The usually hydrate that forms (between zero and 50°C) is the
mono-hydrate. This mono-hydrate must be heated to 60°C to obtain NaCl04:0.8H2O. It must then be heated above 150°C to obtain anhydrous Sodium
Perchlorate. Melting takes place at 472°C and decomposition starts at 490°C and ends at 520°C. (Reactivity of Solids 3 (1987) 75-84)
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NaClO4 production via PbO2 coated titanium anodes is actually surprisingly easy, it just takes a long time. As my first ever foray into
electrochemistry (which I don't like) I made 200 g of NaClO4 of reasonably high purity using such an anode along with a workshop charger. I
electrolysed a solution of NaCl for about 5 days only regulating temp and pH occasionally.
At the end, the small amount of NaClO3 was destroyed by addition of HCl of the highest concentration possible. Since NaCl is insoluble in highly
concentrated HCl, you can then decant the perchloric acid.
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