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I have an actual fully thought through idea that I think is within the rules!
Aga can you please say "Yes" or "No" to the chemicals used?
1. Make the Poop dirt nitrates from the video I linked to a couple of posts ago. It uses: composted poop, Na2CO3(can be bought as supermarket washing
powder - Bicarb would probably(?) be OK too) and H2O.
2. Mix NaClO (supermarket bleach) with Acetic Acid (vinegar) and bubble the Cl2 gas through H2O to produce HCl acid.
3. Add homemade crap nitrates to homemade HCl
4. Distil the HNO3(hopefully) from the salts 
Is this possible and within the rules?
I don't really have the time to do this but if someone wants to use the idea to win the 350 euro I will only charge them a small fee  Hehehe Jokes
If anyone wants to try this method go for it I would just be happy to contribute
something to the backyard scientific community 
Hope this idea is an OK one!
Dangle
[Edited on 13-8-2015 by Dangle89]
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Well I think I have a process within the rules as well, instead of making HCL supermarkets sell batteries which contain H2SO4 and you can even use an
old battery if you don't wanna spend the $$ there are cars everywhere and batteries are the least controlled item anywhere. The nitrates can be made
using this video from dirt: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaGykqoNhJk
H2SO4 + 2 NaNO3 --> Na2SO4 + 2 HNO3
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gatosgr
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Another cheap and easy source for acids are drain cleaners , they are usually 23% HCL or you can find some with H2SO4. Every supermarket has them.
About making the nitrates you can extract them from plants but given ~50mg NO3- /g of plant material you need ~840g of plant material in order to make
100ml 30% HNO3. The soil method is pretty old and involves feces or urine as the source of nitrates, urine alone can be made into nitrate but the
quantity needed depends on the concentration of nitrates or urea, extracting nitrates from ham or milk is possible but you need lots of it.
Between these method I prefer the plants, the fermentation of manure soil e.t.c. can take up to a year.
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gatosgr
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Are drain cleaners allowed or should we bubble chlorine gas through water to make HCL? Electrolysis and such... although drain cleaners are very
common everywhere.
[Edited on 15-8-2015 by gatosgr]
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aga
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Why not just Buy some conc HNO3 ?
That'd be really interesting, educational, informative and Fun. Not.
Re-read at least the first page for a Clue as to what this is about.
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gatosgr
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Yeah I read it and it says whatever you can find in a typical supermarket.. but anyways bubbling some Cl2 through water is not that hard.
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Quote: Originally posted by gatosgr  | Are drain cleaners allowed or should we bubble chlorine gas through water to make HCL [sic]? Electrolysis and such... although drain cleaners are very
common everywhere.
[Edited on 15-8-2015 by gatosgr] |
How, pray tell, are you going to make HCl by bubbling chlorine through water, huh?
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aga
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Magic Water is also not allowed as it is made from Unicorn Extract.
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| Quote: Originally posted by blogfast25 | | Quote: Originally posted by gatosgr | Are drain cleaners allowed or should we bubble chlorine gas through water to make HCL [sic]? Electrolysis and such... although drain cleaners are very
common everywhere.
[Edited on 15-8-2015 by gatosgr] |
How, pray tell, are you going to make HCl by bubbling chlorine through water, huh? |
with unicorn extract from dangle
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aga
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It is not clear if you get blogfast25's obvious point : bubbling Cl2 through water just dissolves a bit of chlorine in the water, it does
not make HCl.
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aga
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| Quote: Originally posted by Dangle89 | Aga can you please say "Yes" or "No" to the chemicals used?
1. Make the Poop dirt nitrates from the video I linked to a couple of posts ago. It uses: composted poop, Na2CO3(can be bought as supermarket washing
powder - Bicarb would probably(?) be OK too) and H2O. |
Poop Yes, Bleach, dunno, wavering to No as it's hard to make yourself, yet is widely available, so Yes ?
OK. Yes to 5~8% Bleach, unless there's somebody out there who actually cannot get any Bleach.
| Quote: Originally posted by Dangle89 | | 2. Mix NaClO (supermarket bleach) with Acetic Acid (vinegar) and bubble the Cl2 gas through H2O to produce HCl acid. |
Vinegar yes (easy to make anyway), Bleach as above.
Sounding like a Plan.
Not sure it'll work, one way to find out for sure.
Distillation is allowed.
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| Quote: Originally posted by aga |
Bleach, dunno, wavering to No as it's hard to make yourself, yet is widely available, so Yes ?
OK. Yes to 5~8% Bleach, unless there's somebody out there who actually cannot get any Bleach.
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It's not terribly difficult to make, electrolysis of a sodium chloride solution in a well designed cell yields sodium hypochlorite solutions.
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aga
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OTC bleach is OK then.
I've never built a chlorate cell.
Is it worth the bother ?
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| Quote: Originally posted by aga | OTC bleach is OK then.
I've never built a chlorate cell.
Is it worth the bother ?
[Edited on 15-8-2015 by aga] |
sure even if its just for shits and giggles! But seriously some can only get 3% bleach so might be useful? Its a tinkering project so I guess they are
always worth a go.
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I have managed to make nitrates via bacterial oxidation of ammonia, tested a few tiny crystals with H2SO4 and little copper wire strands, it evolved
NO2.
Kept you waiting, huh?
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gatosgr
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Where will you get ammonia from?
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Big Boss
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Where won't I get ammonia from is the better question, you can buy it at practically every hardware store, you could make it from piss and urease
which I have done and it's in most constant cold packs nowadays.
[Edited on 17-8-2015 by Big Boss]
Kept you waiting, huh?
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gatosgr
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Ammonia is out of the rules. You can use piss but again there's no need to make ammonia you can make nitrates with it.
[Edited on 18-8-2015 by gatosgr]
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| Quote: Originally posted by gatosgr | Ammonia is out of the rules. You can use piss but again there's no need to make ammonia you can make nitrates with it.
[Edited on 18-8-2015 by gatosgr] |
Like other insects the fly goes through three phases to reach adulthood: egg, larva, pupa and then adult.
One of the most fascinating aspects of these creatures is the ammonia which is produced by fly larvae, a natural secretion used by the creatures to
kill bacteria.
Read more: http://www.mediaclubsouthafrica.com/tech/2770-maggots-070212...
this is from http://www.mediaclubsouthafrica.com/tech/2770-maggots-070212
however any google on maggots and secretions should provide reliable reference to the fact that maggots produce rather alot of ammonia. Or ask a
fisherman
So ammonia must be in the rules if gained by desert island routes, like your shipmate died and is now maggot infested
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Maggots are OK.
What do we Want ? Freedom for Maggots !
When do we want it ? Now !
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| Quote: Originally posted by gatosgr | Ammonia is out of the rules. You can use piss but again there's no need to make ammonia you can make nitrates with it.
[Edited on 18-8-2015 by gatosgr] |
Original post says I can buy anything found in a supermarket, I'm going to assume that means OTC as well.
Where did aga say ammonia is out? Also I'm not utilising aqueous ammonia but ammonium salts
Kept you waiting, huh?
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| Quote: Originally posted by Big Boss | | Quote: Originally posted by gatosgr | Ammonia is out of the rules. You can use piss but again there's no need to make ammonia you can make nitrates with it.
[Edited on 18-8-2015 by gatosgr] |
Original post says I can buy anything found in a supermarket, I'm going to assume that means OTC as well.
Where did aga say ammonia is out? Also I'm not utilising aqueous ammonia but ammonium salts |
OTC means different things in different countries, some countries you can buy conc nitric acid OTC, so the supermarket I took to mean an average type
supermarket with common under the sink or bathroom stuff.
NOT root killer ect ect ect. SHIP WRECK with a local corner shop that sells beer and a few other things is what I think aga had in mind
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LG2 has it just about right Big Boss.
I'll not pay a a single cent to someone who just makes HNO3 simply out of an OTC nitrate salt and conc H2SO4.
This a Drunken aga Challenge : the Rules are not 100% fixed and frozen.
If i think that a Solution is boring and just following the same old well-trodden ground, then it won't win.
If you managed to fire an ex-Hampster wrapped in Clover into the air with a fart-powered gas cannon, and it magically hit a Hot Copper funnel and
magically made HNO3, then that would probably Win, even if the underlying reaction were a Nitrate salt and Sulphuric acid somehow getting
themselves distilled somehow.
Buy/purify/distill = Nitrate Salt & H2SO4 will not win.
What will win is a New pathway to Nitric Acid.
Surprising that nobody has any Funghi growing ...
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| Quote: Originally posted by aga | LG2 has it just about right Big Boss.
I'll not pay a a single cent to someone who just makes HNO3 simply out of an OTC nitrate salt and conc H2SO4.
This a Drunken aga Challenge : the Rules are not 100% fixed and frozen.
If i think that a Solution is boring and just following the same old well-trodden ground, then it won't win.
If you managed to fire an ex-Hampster wrapped in Clover into the air with a fart-powered gas cannon, and it magically hit a Hot Copper funnel and
magically made HNO3, then that would probably Win, even if the underlying reaction were a Nitrate salt and Sulphuric acid somehow getting
themselves distilled somehow.
Buy/purify/distill = Nitrate Salt & H2SO4 will not win.
What will win is a New pathway to Nitric Acid.
Surprising that nobody has any Funghi growing ... |
SHhhhhhhhhh
Shetland pony takes a while but..........
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How is OTC bleach alright but OTC ammonia isn't? They are about the same availability
wise, and can be purchased from the same stores.
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