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Is there anyone who can Identify what this substance might be?
Hi , I have a question for you guys , the pictures shows a substance which is believed to be explosive ; though I don't know its type I just know it
melts when it exposed to heat (I haven't measured its mp ) , What are your guesses ?
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Hennig Brand
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Knowing at least an approximate melting point would help a lot. Also, if we knew where it was found or what it came out of it could give some clues.
It has a coloration that could indicate TNT, but that doesn't mean that it is since TNT can be a lot of different colors (edit: and some of those
colors could be shared by other compounds as well).
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Technical TNT would be my initial hypothesis as well. Try putting a little in boiling water to see if it melts at less than 100 C (and whether it is
soluble).
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OK guys I'll try to measure its melting point .
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A friend of mine gave it to me. He claims when he was doing his military service , their commanders gave them orders to destroy some disposed
rockets(he says the fuselage of the rockets bared marks of corrosion ) ,So, First they defused the rockets and then pilled them up in a hole - a few
meters deep hole which a man could get inside it and come out of it without using rope or ladder - made them ready for controlled detonation , but
before doing it when he throw one of the rockets in the hole it cracks open and he had a chance to gather the material which emerged out of the
cracked rocket before the explosion .
He doesn't remember the model of the rockets unless he remember they were solid fueled rockets.
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That would appear to me to be TNT or possibly a TNT based substance if you are sure it is the explosive component of the rocket.
Try burning one of those tiny pieces, you would observe black smoke, test melting point etc. Here is some TNT I made a while back:
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Kind of looks like ammonium picrate I made a while back, just a suggestion. but I don't think they use it anymore.
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It might be TNT/RDX
http://www.weaponsindia.com/images/explosives3.gif
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Guys I measured it's melting point .It started melting at 83 Celsius (~181 Fahrenheit ) degree
The picture shows the apparatus I used to measure the melting point of the substance.
The picture shows 0.2 grams of the substance inside a test tube right before it starts melting.
The picture shows the substance right after initiation of melting.
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Dear friend I think U are right but I measured its melting point and it is 83 Celsius (TNT's mp) , Now I wonder if it is TNT/RDX then why its melting
point is equal to TNT melting point ?
Do U know the melting point of TNT/RDX (40/60 respectively) composition ?
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You might try hammering a very small piece of the material? TNT alone will not detonate from a hammer, if there is 60/40 RDX/TNT you might get a
detonation of a tiny piece amount with a heavy blow although maybe not, worth a try though. I was able to hammer detonate roughly 80/20 of
RDX/plasticizer if a very small amount was used, meaning a lot of energy from the hammer goes into a small piece of material causing it's detonation.
I could never hammer detonate any amount of picric acid or TNT when I tried however.
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Do U know any chemical which I could use as TNT or RDX indicator ? and what U mean small amount ? Do U think 0.2 grams is enough just like the amount
I used for measuring its mp ?
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just a small chunk like in your pic doesn't really matter how much I would say between 10mg and 100mg I would imagine that RDX/TNT WOULD be hammer
sensitive but TNT alone probably not as for the exact composition of what you have and the ratio of material, that might be a bit more tricky. I am
not sure on that, maybe someone else could chime in
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High purity and fully nitrated picric acid is sensitive to a strong hammer strike on steel consistently, IME. The color seems wrong though. Also, it
doesn't seem quite red enough to be ammonium picrate. Not really sure though. Finding out some more physical and chemical properties will help a lot.
What are its solubilities, decomposition point, how does it burn, etc?
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it burns like the way Phenol dose .
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If it has a Mp of 80 C degree it should be TNT.
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It sounds right , yet it does not justify reddish brown color .
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That reddish brown color is fairly typical of the grade of TNT that is typically found in munitions. The color can vary as well; no two samples are
ever probably exactly the same shade.
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A short anwser: Impurities.
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Take a grain of rice sized piece and 'stick' it to a hammer head. Strike it on a steel plate as hard as you can. This is a very safe way to see if it
will detonate.
Now either result won't prove the chemical, but it will narrow it down. Knowing the approx. sensitivity is very important even if you don't know the
composition.
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Isn't there a "Websters test" using ethanol saturated with sodium hydroxide?
We're not banging rocks together here. We know how to put a man back together.
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Not unless you're telling OP to eat his explosives and then piss in cup.
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Sure? I was sure this test was used to identify explosives as well.
Edit: Only found this reference on it:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Webster%27s_reagent
Pretty sketchy info, but worth a shot.
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I will try it , after my trip . :-)
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I hope your referring to a vacation trip
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