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aga
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Trolls, Scammers et al.

Utterly bored with all this politics (as in SM Politics), trolling and muscle-flexing now.

blogfast25, Roscoe Bodine, franklyn and IrC - you gotta love 'em all.

I like them in this order :-

blogfast25 - immense help in understanding chemistry
IrC - some help in understanding chemistry
Roscoe Bodine - did some interesting chemistry once
franklyn - amusing and Respectful when he had a place to Rant in.

The politics thing ? Gah ! Who really cares. Not I.
It was fine in Whimsy.

There is a serious danger that the current Troll Manipulations will kill off some wonderful contributors to this site.

None of those 4 are Trolls per se, rather Spirited and Opinionated individuals with long-standing membership.

The Agari incident is not the first time that individual has been here, and i believe that they are still here.

IP addresses are absolutely no evidence of anything unless you know what you're looking at.

Purely on Gut Instinct, the posts from the following are all from the same Mind :-

arkoma
Little Ghost
Little_Ghost_again
Zombie
Yttrium2
AsocialGuide
Priority2
TheStudent
PokeChem
Agari
AgariMK2
Sciboyce
RogueRose

probably many more.

Little_Ghost_again caught my attention, as he (?) stated he was dying of cancer aged 15, in 2014, with a dead-by date of April 2015.

Multiple U2Us, emails, Skype messages and 1 phone call (supposedly from his Dad) later, i've sent around £2000 in cash and goods (one was a reverse osmosis unit).

OK. I'm Stupid. I knew there was a 99% chance that it was a scam, however at that time the amount of money was irrelevant, and was interested to see if it was not a scam, and/or how scammers behave.

Obviously it was all a scam.

In the same period i sent Plante999 some money for his lab gear, and set the address so arkoma received it.

Plante promisted to keep us abreast of his studies : never happened.

The 'Big Sting' (haha) was around £1500 for a GC machine off ebay.
The money could obviously Not be paid normally, it had to be sent to a paypal email 'XXXXXX YYYYYYYY' something instead.

All an utter Fail as far as i am concerned, as Little Ghost_again is simply a confidence trickster making incredibly small ammounts of money, risking imprisonment, whilst possessing at least a Wonderful Google Fu, or an actual knowledge of Chemistry.

Possibly the reciept of Money is what has stirred up this Troll-ball of nonsense.

Edit:

Or maybe lack of success getting any cash from other members

I appologise if my actions are the root cause of the current Troll difficulties.

[Edited on 16-1-2016 by aga]

Edit(woelen): Removed PayPal credentials from post, this is personal info and should not be posted here.

[Edited on 20-1-16 by woelen]

Texium (zts16)

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Get out of here aga. This is simply paranoia. You're making this into some sort of witch trial, accusing some perfectly legitimate members like arkoma of being trolls and scammers. Go sober up and think about how ridiculous this nonsense sounds.

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aga
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I have never suffered from paranoia.

You did not read far enough.

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I read the entire post, do not assume otherwise.

Clearly Agari and his other sockpuppets are trolls. AsocialGuide and PokeChem are both incarnations of PhDChemist. We know they are trolls too. Same goes for Priority2 and TheStudent. Standard-issue kewl and kook respectively. Nothing new to see here.

But arkoma? He's been registered here for nearly two years. Over a month longer than you have been. Who's to say you aren't part of the conspiracy when you're throwing accusations on such relatively well-established members?

The same goes for plante1999, who actually did send arkoma his glassware successfully. I just talked to him about it in the Skype group, where he is still pretty active. I think there's even a thread on here where arkoma confirms that he received the glassware albeit rather late.

LittleGhost however, is a much more complex situation. Some of us in the Skype group did decide to investigate him a while back and actually came to a similar conclusion as what you have. He has definitely lied about a lot, but exactly what parts are truth and what parts are not is unclear, and that is why we did not come forth with our suspicions sooner. That is a conversation for another day though. The point is, there's not any reason to lump all of these members into one umbrella conspiracy.

The rest of the members on your list show no signs of being trolls. You've just thrown them together out of pure conjecture.

Looks like paranoia. Sounds like paranoia. What could it possibly be?

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Detonationology
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 Quote: Originally posted by aga Purely on Gut Instinct, the posts from the following are all from the same Mind :- arkoma Little Ghost Little_Ghost_again Zombie Yttrium2 AsocialGuide Priority2 TheStudent PokeChem Agari AgariMK2 Sciboyce RogueRose

Are you insinuating that you believe that the members listed above are the same person? Unless they have the most severe case of multiple personality disorder, this is nonsense.

“There are no differences but differences of degree between different degrees of difference and no difference.” ― William James
Etaoin Shrdlu
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lmao

Not just LG but arkoma? Does this hypothetical scammer fly to other countries to pick up his packages?
blogfast25
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 Quote: Originally posted by aga The politics thing ? Gah ! Who really cares. Not I. It was fine in Whimsy.

Maybe. Others disagree.

The point is that that is now in the past. So why not simply leave the issue alone? Or are we going to discuss the merits of the 'new-old' policy till Kingdom comes??? Sheesh... Considering I (and two others) incurred a 24 h ban for bitching about it (I'm NOT complaining) I suggest others just accept the "new" (9 years old) rules without waxing nostalgic about the past!

As regards money matters, SM has a (wise!) policy NEVER to intervene/arbitrate in any business/money disputes. Sort yourselves out by U2U, please.

[Edited on 17-1-2016 by blogfast25]

arkoma
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OH MY GOD. I am a middle-aged redneck ex-dope cook sitting smack dab in GARLAND CITY ARKANSAS. I Have lived in California, Nevada, Arizona, California, Texas, and Arkansas, in that order since I registered here. I have had ONE alias since I been here, whatever the fuck it was I used for 24 hours when I turned back up a few months ago.

I ain't little ghost or any other account on your fantasy list.

Fuck You.

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Hey, arkoma, did you get my package?

arkoma
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yeah mate I did!!

*edit*
IN FUCKING ARIZONA LOL

[Edited on 1-17-2016 by arkoma]

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[Edited on 1-17-2016 by arkoma]

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Good, we should both enjoy a nice cold beer since we both have absolutely nothing to do here.

arkoma
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"A Votre Sante"

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arkoma, you look just like my principal in that pic

Am I missing something pertaining to LG?

all above information is intellectual property of Pyro.
blogfast25
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 Quote: Originally posted by arkoma yeah mate I did!!

Are you sure you're not imagining that? Perception isn't reality, you know?

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aga:

Seriously, WTF!

We've had trolls (PhD Chemist), but I don't think there's a vast conspiracy. In any case, it's pretty clear that arkoma and LGA aren't the same person.

As below, so above.
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Yeah, I'll be going and hanging out with Arkoma for an evening this summer, so when I get a picture of the two of us together you can go ahead and call me a lizardman too.

But seriously, aga, you overestimate the gravity that your statements carry, as well as our ability to take such nonsense seriously. You might want to tone things down a bit. After all, I kind of laughed reading your list as I noticed that you share more than a little bit in common with many of your accused. The main quality being the general fluffiness and lack of substance in countless posts like this.

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Oh, and arkoma, gotta say I love the little face of the guy in the background of your picture. I can see the Arkansas branch of the illuminati is rolling deep these days.

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LGA lives in Scotland (verified) and plante1999 I can vouch for as a reliable person honest to his word.

perhaps a bit of revision of your list is required aga?

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arkoma
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 Quote: Originally posted by Amos I can see the Arkansas branch of the illuminati is rolling deep these days.

It's ARK-in-ati, m8. *edit* LMFAO

whinging pommies.

[Edited on 1-17-2016 by arkoma]

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Quote: Originally posted by arkoma
 Quote: Originally posted by Amos I can see the Arkansas branch of the illuminati is rolling deep these days.

It's ARK-in-ati, m8. *edit* LMFAO

whinging pommies.

[Edited on 1-17-2016 by arkoma]

The new signature is mint

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Zombie is purported to be an older guy in the southern us although not certain on location.
little ghost and little ghost again are definitely the same person whith the second account being a result of issues with the first account. Little ghost is purported to be a teenager in the uk.
Phdchemist is a troll and has multiple sock puppets.
many people here are less than 100% truthful but not every one is a troll or scammer.
I think little ghost exaggerates but most teenagers do.
quite a few people will try to get free stuff if you allow it.
some are good to do business with. Dr Bob in particular comes to mind.
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Mood: Metastable, and that's good enough.

Zombie is in FL. He hasn't been active in a while. I gather his business has gotten busy.

aga
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 Quote: Originally posted by zts16 Who's to say you aren't part of the conspiracy when you're throwing accusations on such relatively well-established members?

At least you accept there's a possibility.

Plante999 is not on the 'list'.

'whinging pommie' is an Australian term.
Never heard or seen an American use it, ever.

There is no suggestion of a 'conspiracy', more that the particular multiple personalities are not here simply for Attention, as is the case with simple trolls.

The physical location of each member is entirely unknown : geoip is utterly useless unless the troller is completely brain dead.

Clearly i have no hard evidence to present relating to the multiple personality allegation.

Time to learn something about linguistics and pattern matching in order to get some.

Probably best to throw this in Detritus until some evidence exists.

[Edited on 17-1-2016 by aga]

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 Quote: Originally posted by aga Plante999 is not on the 'list'.

I think he was referring to arkoma allegedly not receiving a parcel off Plante, not being on the "list".

 Quote: Originally posted by aga 'whinging pommie' is an Australian term. Never heard or seen an American use it, ever.

Er, ok?
I know that I use a lot of American expressions that didn't exist in Australia a few years ago. The linguistics of English speaking countries are globalizing and averaging out.
If someone likes a phrase or idiom from another culture and wants to use it in a non-insulting way (that's how I took arkoma's use of it to be), then I say let it go!

 Quote: Originally posted by aga Probably best to throw this in Detritus until some evidence exists.

Wow, soon Detritus will be the subforum with the most new threads per month...

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My two cents (soon to be dropped as currency I hope):

Zombie says he lives in Carabelle, Florida. I can't say that this is true, but it is a small town I actually know. I U2Us with him nothing he said seemed inconsistent with this.

I do want to speak up for Aga who, whether paranoid or not, fluffy or not, is a mensch. I have found him generous and helpful, and believe his claims about sending  to Little Ghost.

I don't know what to make of Little Ghost, his stories have ceased being believable, so I write them all off now and consider him an unknown quantity, but not a truthful one.

It seems generally accepted that part of Aga's surmises are correct.

(I thing geoip is actually useful, but not fool-proof. Most trollers are brain-dead.)
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