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sad.gif posted on 30-1-2016 at 11:12
where to find nickel


I need nickel for making Rayners nickel and I tried dissolving sheels from neodymium magnets (I was thinking it is Mu-metal, but it was iron) than I tried transformers core but it was again only iron coins have nickel but not ours from Czech rep. and I don't want to buy it direcly on Ebay it is expensive... so from where can I isolate? thanks for reply... :D
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[*] posted on 30-1-2016 at 11:19


I know you are not in the eurozone, but the euro coins have nickel in them.
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[*] posted on 30-1-2016 at 11:27


Im not in eurozone but slovakia nearby country have euros but they are realy expensive... :/
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[*] posted on 30-1-2016 at 11:33


stainless steel scrap will have around 10% Ni and 18% Cr, depending on the grade

also rechargeable batteries Ni-Cd and NiMH

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[*] posted on 30-1-2016 at 11:38


I will look at it but when I get it how can I separate it from Fe Cr and other elements?
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[*] posted on 30-1-2016 at 12:27


Quote: Originally posted by CrossxD  
I will look at it but when I get it how can I separate it from Fe Cr and other elements?


E.g. Ni and Cr form water soluble ammonia complexes, Fe does not.

Cr is amphoteric, Ni is not.

But an old, large NiCad battery from a cordless power tool may be you best bet.

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[*] posted on 30-1-2016 at 12:33


Try Polish zlotys (PLN). 10gr, 20gr, 50gr and 1 zloty coins is about 25% nickel, the rest is copper. The silver piece of bimetallic coins (2zł and 5zł) is also cupronickel. 1PLN coin has weight of 5g and is worth about 6,09 CZK (0,23 euro), that gives you "price" of about 4,8CZK (0,184 euro) per gram of Ni. The cheapest source are however 10gr coins. Weighting only twice less (around 2,5g) but being worth 1/10 PLN nickel extracted from them would cost you less than 1CZK (less than 0,04 euro) per gram.
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[*] posted on 30-1-2016 at 12:37


There are these Half-Franc coins if you can find them.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/France-Coin-Lot-25-Half-Franc-Coins-...
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[*] posted on 30-1-2016 at 12:44


Doesn't wikipedia or someone mention that 1955-1981 Canadian nickels are .999 Ni? You can buy these in large bags if the size is right, you have credit cards, and your package inspectors are OK with foreign coins.



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[*] posted on 30-1-2016 at 13:03


Why bother with coins or other metal scrap if you can buy very pure nickel for decent prices. Think of it, how many grams does a 1 euro coin have. And then, the nickel is alloyed with other metals, there are two different metals in these counts. The same with zlotys which apparently contain 25% of nickel mixed with copper.

A much better option then is this: http://www.ebay.nl/itm/NICKEL-metal-99-9-Purity-metal-elemen...

A full 100 grams of very pure nickel for less than 10 euros (plus shipping).


Or have a look at this: http://www.ebay.nl/itm/NICKEL-metal-99-9-Purity-metal-elemen...

85 grams of very pure nickel at appr. EUR 10, including shipping!




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[*] posted on 30-1-2016 at 13:11


Awesome than you very much :D
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[*] posted on 30-1-2016 at 13:28


I found some NiMh batteries but in them there is sooo many other elements is possible to separe nickel from rare elemets by ammonia sol.? and if I want to separate nickel and copper must I use electro chem.? or it is easier somehow to percipitate one of them?
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[*] posted on 30-1-2016 at 13:30


Here's some 99.9% Canadian nickels at $14.60 a pound but in the U.S. I bought some for around $55.00/5 lb. last year or so.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/5-Pounds-Premium-Canadian-999-Nickel...


http://www.kitcometals.com/charts/nickel_historical_large.ht...

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[*] posted on 31-1-2016 at 01:20


Thermite from an oxyde maybe?
It might not be very pure, but depending on the quantity you need you might find some blobs here and there.
Also, isnt it used in special purpose welding? Might be a source there.
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[*] posted on 31-1-2016 at 08:04


There is a lot of high purity nickel on eBay for $10-$15/lb. It is used in electroplating so it is readily available. Nickel metal buttons are a common form, and blocky pieces, and those Canadian nickels (which are truly nickel).
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[*] posted on 31-1-2016 at 08:34


It doesn't seem like making raney nickel is a cakewalk or rather it seems like you could run up against variables in it's surface area properties and the cautions that go along with it when working with it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raney_nickel

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[*] posted on 31-1-2016 at 10:49


Certainly any process that starts with mixing melted metal is not going to be trivial, but
I suggest looking at Raney's original patent: US 1,628,190 for insight on how to actually do this.

He describes preparing the catalyst also by breaking the alloy in "pea size" or smaller (not just finely ground) before doing the leaching. This variation might be more easily accomplished by the amateur.

Another variation is to acquire nickel powder (more expensive, but not compared to buying Raney nickel) and aluminum powder and ball-mill them together and use "reaction synthesis":
http://web.ornl.gov/info/ornlreview/rev28-4/text/alumin.htm
That is, pressing the powder into a crucible and heating it to the melting point of aluminum, where an exothermic reaction begins which melts the metals and prepares the inter-metallic compound. The problem of mixing the molten metal and dissolving nickel in the aluminum is thus eliminated.


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[*] posted on 31-1-2016 at 11:18


@CrossxD Are there any electronic cigarette stores where you live? Look for some Ni200 wire resistance coils. Ni200 is 99.6% Ni, just make sure the coils are clearly labeled.
I got a 10 m coil for like 4 euros.

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[*] posted on 31-1-2016 at 12:31


We've been reading some of the same things maybe and the Ni powder is not too expensive...I've been meaning to try this large in my back yard on July 4th but keep forgetting. Raney did patent the thermite route: US2139602.

2Al + 3NiO -> 3Ni + Al2O3
5Al + 3NiO -> 3NiAl + Al2O3

Or perhaps an ordinary Fe2O3 composition can be used instead...to heat a graphite crucible loaded with Al powder and nickels, and the exotherm completes the reaction.

EDIT: Well now the Chinese say NiO will substitute, sintering at 950C produces a NiAl/Al2O3 composite they say.
http://dx.doi.org/10.1007/BF02841292

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[*] posted on 31-1-2016 at 15:21


Is it possible to form nickel carbonyl if raney nickel were to catch fire or would you need a carbon source other than the minute amount of CO2 in air? CO2 in air is 400 ppm and nickel carbonyl at 3 ppm is "LD50 for a 30-minute exposure has been estimated at 3 ppm."

(See page 3 Fire Hazards)
http://nj.gov/health/eoh/rtkweb/documents/fs/1341.pdf

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nickel_tetracarbonyl

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[*] posted on 31-1-2016 at 17:26


Hmmm I got me some 1970s nickels from up here in Canadia eh. Never even knew they could be used to make NHN and stuff.
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[*] posted on 1-2-2016 at 11:29


Here's a little under $10.00 a pound.
Lot of 2550: 1920's-1981 Canada Nickel. Early Dates. .999 Pure Nickel.
Price:US $249.95 Free shipping
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lot-of-2550-1920s-1981-Canada-Nickel...

Years Mass Diameter/Shape Composition
2000–present 3.95 g 21.2 mm, round 94.5% steel, 3.5% copper, 2% nickel plating
1982–1999 (some production in 2000, 2001, and 2006) 4.6 g 21.2 mm, round 75% copper, 25% nickel
1964–1981 4.54 g 21.21 mm, round 99.9% nickel
1955–1963 4.54 g 21.21 mm, 12-sided 99.9% nickel
1951–1954 4.54 g 21.21 mm, 12-sided chrome-plated steel (Korean War)
1946–1951 4.54 g 21.21 mm, 12-sided 99.9% nickel
1944–1945 4.54 g 21.21 mm, 12-sided chrome-plated steel (World War II)
1942–1943 4.54 g 21.21 mm, 12-sided 88% copper, 12% zinc ("tombac") World War II
1922–1942 4.54 g 21.21 mm, round 99.9% nickel
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nickel_(Canadian_coin)

60 lbs .999 Pure Nickel Coin Bullion, Canadian Pre-82 Nickels
Price:US $585.00 Free shipping
http://www.ebay.com/itm/60-lbs-999-Pure-Nickel-Coin-Bullion-...

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[*] posted on 1-2-2016 at 14:59


If you have access to cupronickel coins where you live, it can be separated by elecrolysis:
www.sciencemadness.org/talk/viewthread.php?tid=16811&pag...

Otherwise, buy it in bulk as others have suggested.




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[*] posted on 2-2-2016 at 09:00


my plan was make rayners nickel by decomposing nickel oxalate https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gO92eqQcB4 or react nickel salt with aluminum powder and than dissolve in alkali base aluminum will dissolve and nickel will stay as fine powder and that vacuum filter can it be done?
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[*] posted on 2-2-2016 at 09:12


A few more easy sources I have not seen mentioned yet:


1) nickel electrodes for stick welding cast iron. You can easily scrape the flux of to get fairly pure nickel rods.

2) various nickel salts and nickel oxide powder are sold in ceramics supply stores for use in glazes.

3) There are plating sets for plating nickel onto copper circuit boards. I am not sure what nickel Salts they contain exactly, but should be reasonably pure and way more cost effective than melting down coins




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