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Kno3.com
Hi i am new here and my english is not so good.
dont order from this company thats all i can say 1 year ago i orderd some iodine 50g from them and today the police fucked up my home.they sayed this
company was watched and now busted .Note:I come from Germany not UK
i hope none of you get in this trouble.
[Edited on 30-11-2006 by Cervantes]
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MargaretThatcher
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Thanks.
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We already knew that, but thanks for the info.
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There has been some speculation as to whether they are legit or not. Thanks for your input. Btw, you want this thread.
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I get the impression that Germany is becoming more and more a bad country to do home chemistry. Approximately one year ago, there also was a big
campaign, where more than 700 people were raided and had their houses searched for chemicals. That also was because they purchased chemicals from a
company that was busted.
In that case, they were very ruthless. Just the plain fact that you ordered something from that company already lead to big problems. I know of such
cases in the Netherlands also, but up to now, the cases I know, were always accompanied with something else. People can get raided if they are known
to have chems (they are on a list) and at the same time there are many heavy explosions in the area, where that person lives, or at the same time
there seems to be evidence that this person makes drugs.
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chromium
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| Quote: | Originally posted by woelen
I get the impression that Germany is becoming more and more a bad country to do home chemistry. Approximately one year ago, there also was a big
campaign, where more than 700 people were raided and had their houses searched for chemicals. That also was because they purchased chemicals from a
company that was busted.
In that case, they were very ruthless. Just the plain fact that you ordered something from that company already lead to big problems.
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This is major thing that disturbs me. Older times law enforcement could also raid homes but they did not get orders easily. Lot of evidence was needed
and even then this was not always granted. In fact, they almost had to prove ones quilt before they could raid the home.
Relaxing of these rules seems very disturbing to me (much more so than restricitons on chemicals). We only have to hope that this does not develop
further as communist-like dictatorship is not too unlikely in society that treats personal freedoms this way.
[Edited on 1-12-2006 by chromium]
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Cervantes
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| Quote: | Originally posted by woelen
I get the impression that Germany is becoming more and more a bad country to do home chemistry. Approximately one year ago, there also was a big
campaign, where more than 700 people were raided and had their houses searched for chemicals. That also was because they purchased chemicals from a
company that was busted.
In that case, they were very ruthless. Just the plain fact that you ordered something from that company already lead to big problems. I know of such
cases in the Netherlands also, but up to now, the cases I know, were always accompanied with something else. People can get raided if they are known
to have chems (they are on a list) and at the same time there are many heavy explosions in the area, where that person lives, or at the same time
there seems to be evidence that this person makes drugs. |
This company was selling chemicals to kids under the age of 18.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by woelen
I get the impression that Germany is becoming more and more a bad country to do home chemistry. |
This seems especially ironic, and sad, as Germany has been a world leader in chemistry. In my book, it ought to be a point of national pride that
Germans are good chemists. Raiding houses indiscriminately doesn't help this much.
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I've ordered some items from the site and got them just fine.
All that glitters isn't gold.
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German law says that *if* an individual is under suspicion, particularly minors, of making pyrotechnics, explosive materials, then this suspicion
*has* to be followed up. In this case, teens ordered decent quantities of KNO3, NH4NO3 and the lot. Once the details of the customers came out through
bank drafts, the police had to follow up each case, leading to a rather incredible wave of house searches. Pointless really, as in the end noone was
arrested. But there is a thread on this somewhere in Whimsy.
Never Stop to Begin, and Never Begin to Stop...
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| Quote: | We only have to hope that this does not develop further as communist-like dictatorship is not too unlikely in society that treats personal
freedoms this way.
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Chromium you got it totally right! Unfortunately, Europe is heading towards a world government dictator ahead of everywhere else. Eventually America
will follow suit because I know the masses of people here are not prepared to ward off an dictatorship. Whats more the relative comfort that a free
capitalist market has bought will keep most of the population complacient and obedient. At least until the bottom falls out.
Fellow molecular manipulator
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The world is a strange place... China going from communism to free markets... the west going from democracy to socialism to perhaps communism...
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MargaretThatcher
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Nonsense, Europe is moving towards authoritarian corporatism.
The reformative effect of punishment is a belief that dies hard, I think, because it is so satisfying to our sadistic impulses. - Bertrand Russell
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...also known as fascism in its less sophisticated form.
Unfortunately there seems to be nothing anybody in EU can do to prevent such future as it is the people who want it and it is the masses of people
that rule in democracy.
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Unfortunately, Europe is heading towards a world government dictator ahead of everywhere else. |
In the EU, people can't be secretly detained without anyone knowing or them being denied acces to a lawyer. This is possible in the US...
In the EU, you don't have to be photographed or have your fingerprints taken before getting on a plane...unless that plane is going to the US...
In the EU, you can just demonstrate in the streets of your capital without being driven into "free speech zones" with armed military guards...
Do I need to continue?
One shouldn't accept or resort to the mutilation of science to appease the mentally impaired.
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woelen
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Is kno3.com really busted? This company still is in business. Have a look at their website, it just received a major update. I also know a dutch guy,
who orders some KClO4 at that company, and I did not hear of any problems with that.
Is this thread another example of people making each other afraid?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by vulture
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Unfortunately, Europe is heading towards a world government dictator ahead of everywhere else. |
In the EU, people can't be secretly detained without anyone knowing or them being denied acces to a lawyer. This is possible in the US...
In the EU, you don't have to be photographed or have your fingerprints taken before getting on a plane...unless that plane is going to the US...
In the EU, you can just demonstrate in the streets of your capital without being driven into "free speech zones" with armed military guards...
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I have lived in both.. I'll will raise my children in America. You can raise yours, should you have any, where ever you decide. Facts are facts,
there is a world-wide paranoia about terrorism and chemicals and your lashing out with anti-american diatribe does nothing to make it better. These
actions to provide for a "safe" society are the result of peoples willing to give away liberty in the name of safety and government all to willing to
take those liberties away. This isn't solely an american problem. At least be intellectually honest about the issue.
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This isn't solely an american problem. At least be intellectually honest about the issue. |
Ofcourse not. But I won't need to leave my fingerprints when I'm flying to spain on sunday. Simple fact like you say. Just as the rest of the things I
pointed out. Thus I don't see why the EU is more "fascist" than the US.
I'd like to visit the US you know. But I don't like the idea currently because US customs will be going through the details of my life with a very
fine comb once they get the passenger list and I'll be treated like a convicted criminal once I arrive, eg fingerprints taken. No thank you.
One shouldn't accept or resort to the mutilation of science to appease the mentally impaired.
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Vulture, you should have no problems visiting the US. As a bird of prey your person will be considered inviolable. 
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I'd like to visit the US you know. But I don't like the idea currently because US customs will be going through the details of my life with a very
fine comb once they get the passenger list and I'll be treated like a convicted criminal once I arrive, eg fingerprints taken. No thank you.
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As an American, the first time I visited Europe I went to Germany. I was treated very well. I brushed up on my pathetic German and did my best. But
all those fellows spoke English! They certainly made me feel welcome. Dresden was beautiful. I only wish I had more time to drive to Prague and
Amsterdam. I would gladly take a boarder from the EU if they ever wanted to see rural America.
The only thing that saddens me is that people on both sides of the pond don't see what this whole terror issue is doing. We should pluck this thing
out like a cancer before it makes us all behave and enact laws that spoil our liberties and goodwill....but what to do????? It's all too real to just
wish away.
I don't see making both the EU & the US Wahibbist states as the answer. Perhaps I'm being too judgmental but it seems the more we bend to "try to
understand" those who perpetrate terror the more we are attacked. When Spain elected the goverment they did can those people really say that made them
feel safer?
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We should not abandon our people to the fascist theocracy hiding under the moniker of the USA.
As to the Spanish, well good on them. Good on the Portuguese, too. Democracy is alive and well in southern Europe; it's nice to know that it is
thriving somewhere.
The reformative effect of punishment is a belief that dies hard, I think, because it is so satisfying to our sadistic impulses. - Bertrand Russell
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Hell, I always thought that a theocracy meant a government ruled by or subject to religious authority. That sounds like Saudia Arabia, not the USA!
There's plenty of things wrong with the US but the basis for our goverment is not a bad one. If folks want to challenge the system, they can. If they
don't want to go to religious activities - they don't have to. Try that in a place like Iran!
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http://www.stv.tv/news/Police_make_first_discovery_of_crysta...
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I'm aware that Saudi is a monarchy. My point is that there is no method to challenge the government in either. However, that being said the monarchy
of Saudi is so infused with religious dogma that they might as well be a theocracy. The virtually indisputable main thrust concern of the government
is maintaining that kingdom and preventing an Islamic Revolution of sorts. Indeed religious authorities in that country hold sway in a manner almost
inconceivable in most of the west.
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'I was helping to trace terrorists' claims boss
ALAN McEWEN CRIME REPORTER ()
THE owner of an internet business facing extradition to the United States on drug charges today claimed he had been working with the secret services
to help trace terrorists.
Brian Howes is currently on the ninth day of a hunger strike in Saughton Prison as he continues to protest his innocence.
The 43-year-old was arrested along with his partner Kerry Anne Shanks, 28, at their home in Bo'ness earlier this year, after US officials accused them
of selling the ingredients for the deadly crystal meth drug to Americans over the internet.
Speaking from Saughton, Howes said: "We were selling 40 different chemicals to make fireworks. I contacted Special Branch immediately after the 7/7
bombings because we were worried a couple of the chemicals we sold could be used by terrorists.
"We were working with Special Branch officers based in London and Middlesbrough. They told us to report any suspicious orders, or those from Muslim
names, so they could check them out."
The US authorities say the chemicals Howes exported to the US were used to produce crystal meth, or methamphetamine, worth up to £40 million.
Agents from the Drug Enforcement Agency mounted a seven-month surveillance operation before his arrest.
Along with his partner, Howes has spent 190 days in jail since being arrested. He added: "I feel let down by the UK Government and let down by Special
Branch. We were running a legal company and they gave us their blessing to go ahead to trade."
The couple face up to 20 years in jail in the US if convicted. Howes has pledged to keep up his hunger strike "to the death" in a bid to highlight
their case.
He said: "The US authorities have indited us for 81 charges, but only some of them relate to 'knowingly selling chemicals for the manufacture of
illegal drugs'.
"I'm willing to got to the US to face those charges if the rest of the indictments, which are not offences in the UK, are dropped."
US law enforcers claim the couple illegally sold more than 350kg of chemicals through their website, destined for around 100 clandestine drug
laboratories overseas.
The police operation began when investigators in Arizona uncovered alleged crystal meth factories that had purchased chemicals through the site.
Howes said: "We've not even been afforded the rights of common criminals after being held 190 days without charge.
"We've been repeatedly denied bail because they consider us flight risks, even though we tick all the boxes with clean records and have four children
together. But because the Americans want us, we stay here. This is like a mini-Guantanamo Bay.
"I started the hunger strike last Wednesday. I'm not eating any solid foods, just orange juice. I'm prepared to take it all the way to the death to
highlight our case."
He claims his company had a turnover of around £12,000 a month, but he only made around £350 a week after paying staff and overheads.
A Metropolitan Police spokesman said: "We would not comment on any prisoner currently facing extradition proceedings as it may prejudice the case."
A Scottish Prison Service spokesman refused to comment on individual prisoners, but added there were "established procedures in place to manage
prisoners who refuse food or fluids".
Last updated: 10-Aug-07 12:16 BST
This article- http://edinburghnews.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=1258512007
and the original link to the stv video news report-
http://www.stv.tv/news/Police_make_first_discovery_of_crysta...
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