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[*] posted on 25-4-2016 at 04:52


To those who really think verdigris is Cu(NTAz)2, Cu(NTAz)2.HNTAz or HO-Cu-NTAz;
--> no its just the colour of women jealous from envy to NeonPulse's compound :D :)

or more seriously a similarity of colour between the beautiful pictures of NeonPulse's compound
and
Cu(OH)2.CuCO3 (from the old french vert-de-Grèce (green from Greece) or vert-de-gris (green of grey))

[Edited on 25-4-2016 by PHILOU Zrealone]




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[*] posted on 26-4-2016 at 00:32
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Of course, for everybody. On roofs is NOT! Cu (NTAz) 2 as energetic materials. On copper roofs is nothing explosive material. It is only joy and joke during comunication in this thread. And of course jealousy that someone managed to synthesize it. From available compounds. ( However, I keep thinking, that the energetic materials NeonPulse always scratches from himself the roof )....:D...LL
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[*] posted on 26-4-2016 at 09:02


NeonPulse has excelled himself. From OTC materials and a church roof...

No, seriously. How the hell did you do this??




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[*] posted on 26-4-2016 at 13:37


This thread might contain some clues...
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[*] posted on 3-5-2016 at 04:55


bis(5-nitrotetrazolylazide)? I'm not very experienced in tetrazole chemistry, but I think that is what it would be.
Let me elucidate...
A 5-aminotetrazole ring, with the NH2 group at 5 substituted with an NO2 group.
By the action of HNO2, the NH group at 4 ridded of hydrogen and with an extra nitrogen double-bonded outwards (like diazonium compounds.) Another 5-nitrotetrazole group with only a nitrogen atom at the fourth position bonded to the diazonium group of the other complex. 252g/mol. Wow.

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[*] posted on 4-5-2016 at 07:38


Quote: Originally posted by a nitrogen rich explosive  
bis(5-nitrotetrazolylazide)? I'm not very experienced in tetrazole chemistry, but I think that is what it would be.
Let me elucidate...
A 5-aminotetrazole ring, with the NH2 group at 5 substituted with an NO2 group.
By the action of HNO2, the NH group at 4 ridded of hydrogen and with an extra nitrogen double-bonded outwards (like diazonium compounds.) Another 5-nitrotetrazole group with only a nitrogen atom at the fourth position bonded to the diazonium group of the other complex. 252g/mol. Wow.

[Edited on 3-5-2016 by a nitrogen rich explosive]

NOPE as explained elsewhere!
-N3 is monovalent so you can't bridge 2 things with it.
-N=N- is bivalent (AZO) and with it you may bridge.
ex: azomethane is CH3-N=N-CH3 (dimethyldiazene)




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[*] posted on 4-5-2016 at 08:56


So diazobis(5-aminotetrazole) would exist?



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[*] posted on 4-5-2016 at 09:15


Also, by the way, I just put up my findings on my hands-on crash course on tetrazoles up on Prepublications, with syntheses of the 5 most explosive tetrazoles I have done yet.



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[*] posted on 4-5-2016 at 10:21


Too bad your "findings" are full of errors and plagiarised material. I brought up some of them in your thread.
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[*] posted on 4-5-2016 at 13:30


I'm not plagiarising. It was, as clearly stated, a write-up rather than a new synthesis method.



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[*] posted on 5-5-2016 at 05:48


Quote: Originally posted by a nitrogen rich explosive  
So diazobis(5-aminotetrazole) would exist?

Make a drawing of it first, post it and we discuss!

About your screenshot (retaken here as a jpeg picture for convenience purpose):
nitrogenrich molecule mistakes.jpg - 13kB

You will notice that you have a lot of mistakes...usually N is trivalent in organic chemistry; in your drawing
-if it is tetravalent, then it must display a charge like ammonium for example (NH4(+)) (cf. A and B)
-if it is pentavalent then it should display a double charge (cf. C)

--> You made a molecule charged with 4(+) charges and no balancing so repulsion forces will be against its existance.

The position C is even more concerning because you are able to put a N atom in sp conformation (180° linear):
1°) with an extra lateral sp3 bond
2°) into a ring with angle strain 109°

Try to buy a ball and sticks molecular model and do a first test with it.




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[*] posted on 5-5-2016 at 08:30


Sorry about my +- mistakes - this is new software, and I don't know how to operate it properly.



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[*] posted on 5-5-2016 at 11:09


Quote: Originally posted by a nitrogen rich explosive  
Also, by the way, I just put up my findings on my hands-on crash course on tetrazoles up on Prepublications, with syntheses of the 5 most explosive tetrazoles I have done yet.


People at this forum don't need any of the dubious value of your own findings from a personal journey that is your own (hands-on) ??? (I doubt it) ....bullshitter's "crash course" in energetic tetrazole chemistry, which is a subject matter you 100% evidently do not regard seriously or would not be making unreferenced hypothetical "presentations" like you have done which amounts to a list of proposals or hypotheses not even decribed for what they are.

You wander into an area of chemistry that is unsurvivable to the foolish and do so with a cavalier attitude and approach that is dangerous.

What you are doing is not contributing or helpful and is dangerous.

I made a suggestion you stop this approach and posting activity which went ignored. Keep going with it and we are going to all see you sent back to school before coming to an advanced topic discussion as a place for a beginning of knowledge you don't yet have.

What you have continued to do is pin the needle over ranging the bullshit detector

I look for one reference or evidence that you have a clue and such reference or evidence or is not found

Edit to add links to avoid repeating myself:
http://www.sciencemadness.org/talk/viewthread.php?tid=23573&...

http://www.sciencemadness.org/talk/viewthread.php?tid=65807&...

http://www.sciencemadness.org/talk/viewthread.php?tid=65807&...

To the 4 possibilities stated by Bert in the linked post could be added the deficient masonry example, where there are evidently a few bricks missing what would be the number needed for having a complete patio

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What you are doing is not contributing or helpful and is dangerous.

Rosco, this young idiot is the banned EatsKewls ─ he's like that occasional turd in the bowl that just won't cooperate!

If we ignore him he might just fuck off!



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[*] posted on 5-5-2016 at 11:58


I am EatsKewls???? WHAT THE FLYING FUCK?
Look at all my posts! In not one of them have I ever flamed. I have bullshitted, but I haven't flamed. I don't have the same language quirks, I am interested in different things, and I have a totally different attitude. Why do you think this?
EatsKewls must have been mentally ill. He was permanantly, uncontrollably angry. I am not. Where is your proof, or is it just you thinking the worse?




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EatsKewls must have been mentally ill.

Indeed, a few bricks short of a patio, as Rosco succinctly put it . . . ?

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[*] posted on 5-5-2016 at 12:04


bullshitting in the energetics section should get you banned period
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[*] posted on 5-5-2016 at 12:12


Fair enough. Sorry about this.



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[*] posted on 6-5-2016 at 07:10


In the civilized world there is a concept that applies to human interactions of any sort,
that is actually a fundamental concept of ethics, morality, and law, and it can be called an
implied covenant of good faith and fair dealing. This is an alien concept for the dishonest.

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[*] posted on 6-5-2016 at 16:06


That was thinly veiled, even by your standards. If you think that it's BS, say so, rather than talking of my covenant of honesty.



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[*] posted on 7-5-2016 at 08:11


When you want to conduct "thought experiments" be very sure you identify clearly what it is you are presenting is NOT reality based observation or tested process, or don't bring it here to this board.
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[*] posted on 7-5-2016 at 14:00


That's fine.



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[*] posted on 8-5-2016 at 06:30


a nitrogen rich explosive is banned from posting. Perhaps if he swears on a dead tree volume of Tadeusz Urbanski to cease from BS and CLEARLY identify speculations as such, rather than actual procedures and/or personal experience, that ban might be lifted.

Or maybe not. My back hurts, and I am very cranky.




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[*] posted on 8-5-2016 at 07:01


Quote: Originally posted by a nitrogen rich explosive  
I don't have the same language quirks,

Thinking about 'language quirks' is not something anyone would do, or even imagine a need to do, unless engaged in an activity that required it.




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Hmmm..........

I watched a rabbit running through the woods

I'm a wolf ;)

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