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[*] posted on 11-12-2020 at 19:37


I made it once, and I thought it smelled like celery.



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[*] posted on 12-12-2020 at 20:20


Made sodium hydroxide and calcium carbonate from sodium carbonate and calcium hydroxide.
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[*] posted on 12-12-2020 at 20:26


Quote: Originally posted by TriiodideFrog  
Made sodium hydroxide and calcium carbonate from sodium carbonate and calcium hydroxide.


Interesting. I made sodium carbonate by putting baking soda into the oven.
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[*] posted on 12-12-2020 at 21:20


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Arkoma: How propyl salicylate smells like? I plan to make propyl benzoate or salicylate, I am not sure which one I'll pick.


Similar to the methyl ester, but not as "strong". Smells good.




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[*] posted on 12-12-2020 at 22:34


I have made ethyl salycilate before. It is really similar to methyl salycilate. Maybe not quite as feisty. I eould imagine that the propyl ester follows trend.
Having said that, ester odours do present surprises.
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[*] posted on 16-12-2020 at 14:47


Yesterday I tried to make sodium orthoperiodate by persulfate method from NaI. I started from KI, which I converted to NaI by precipitation of potassium as bitartrate. Than I added 30 g of NaOH and 77,5 g of Na2S2O8 in small portions (after each addition quite exothermic reaction took place). Than I heated it in hot water bath for 15 minutes, added 15g of NaOH and after that I heated it for 30 minutes. Than I added 100 mils of water to dissolve all sulfate and heated it for 10 minutes. I allowed the solution to cool for several hours, decanted as much liquid as possible and added another 50 mils of water, heated for a while and again let it cool. Just now I filtering the solid and wash it with ice cold distilled water.



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[*] posted on 16-12-2020 at 15:05


Tossed some n-propyl alcohol, citric acid, and few drops h2so4 into a RBF, Refluxing now.



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[*] posted on 16-12-2020 at 20:42


Quote: Originally posted by arkoma  
Tossed some n-propyl alcohol, citric acid, and few drops h2so4 into a RBF, Refluxing now.


Your target is an ester I presume.


I am nearing the end of preparing some silver nitrate. I had two nearly empty containers that had partially decomposed and looked quite grey. I also had some AgCl precipitate that I had collected following some student experiments. (Might be some AgI and AgBr in there too.) As well as that were several filter papers of silver crystals: the result of silver tree experimemts. These had copper contamination and were probably impure for other reasons too. I have combined it all together and have converted it all to elemental silver: I probably have around 20-30 grams of black finely divided silver at the moment. Just need to hit that with some nitric acid.

I think I might do an ester or two just for fun before Christmas. I discovered I have some butanol the other day which might be interesting.
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[*] posted on 17-12-2020 at 04:51


Quote: Originally posted by MidLifeChemist  
Quote: Originally posted by TriiodideFrog  
Made sodium hydroxide and calcium carbonate from sodium carbonate and calcium hydroxide.


Interesting. I made sodium carbonate by putting baking soda into the oven.


I see. I made mine by heating it on a saucepan.:)
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[*] posted on 17-12-2020 at 09:28


Yes, after an ester. p-toluenesulfonic acid is on my list for later Today.



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[*] posted on 24-12-2020 at 04:18


I am 4 days experimenting with making di-n-butyl ether, preparation III,57 by Vogel. Methods of separation given in the book don't work for me for some reason: I've got less than 5ml yield from 62ml of the alcohol with 50% H2SO4 method. Making the synthesis 3 times I found that the problem is that the ether creates a stable mix with n-butyl alcohol and this mix separates during 2nd H2SO4 wash as a middle layer which is much voluminous than the pure ether (top) layer.
I tried to make this alkaline and purify by CaCl2 method (2nd method of separation given in the book) but the result is that the final liquid dissolves a bit of CaCl2 used for final drying creating a paste consistency.
What really works is separating this n-butyl alcohol + di-n-butyl ether middle layer and treating only this twice with 25ml of 50% H2SO4 solution. First time it gives the same 3 layers, few ml of the ether and most volume in the mix, but the second treatment of this middle layer with 50% H2SO4 gives very thin middle layer, so this way I can collect most of the product.

Also I found than the technique of initial mix of n-butyl alcohol and sulfuric acid before synthesis is somehow important - when I poured the acid by pipette it created to much heat in too little volume forming brown spots which was a problem - they accumulated the heat during the synthesis and the whole product became coffee-brown this way. But when I mixed alcohol with the acid pouring the latest from a beaker the liquid stayed clear at the beginning till the end.
Unfortunately this had no impact of the middle layer formation.

Now I am thinking how dry was my n-butyl alcohol. Some water in it can cause more alcohol residue because the Dean-Stark tube collects the amount calculated based on 100% dry alcohol.

I think wikipedia describes di-n-butyl ether smell as "peculiar" and it is not far from truth - the smell is very interesting and not similar to something else. I can find connection with n-butyl alcohol smell but it is changed the way I didn't encounter before. I think it would be interesting to check will I precipitate the same relation between alcohol and ether smell for higher alcohols.

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[*] posted on 27-12-2020 at 06:13


I distilled dibutyl ehter. I did it in a claisen flasks with a fractionating arm - not the best glassware for this purpose considering that the boiling point of Bu2O is 142C and the flash point is 175C, so I had no more than 33 degrees in between - but my glassware collection is still not full and I don't have anything more suitable for distilling small volume like 20-25ml.
So I put a second thermometer inside the flask itself to control the temperature over the liquid surface. I used a heatgun between 360 and 370C heating the pear-shaped flask from its very bottom allowing the stream of hot air touch the liquid first and then sides of the flask. After some lower-boiling component with "chloride" smell (it appeared after drying on CaCl2) I've got a perfect fraction 139-141C and at this point the temp. inside the flask touched 156C - the limit of my second thermometer, so I stopped the process preferring low yield to compromised safety.
Probably will try to distil the rest after getting the glassware with more short path before a condenser.

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[*] posted on 27-12-2020 at 19:42


Currently chugging away at a synthesis of ammonium oxalate.
I have an ammonia generator feeding into an oxalic acid solution via an inverted funnel. (I never enjoy working with ammonia: it is fickle when it comes to suck-back and accidental dissolving.)

One thing has me intrigued: When I first started pushing the NH3 into the solution, a precipitate started to form after only a minute or so. Then I realised I had forgotten to put the receiving beaker in a cold water bath. A couple of minutes after packing it with ice, the solution completely cleared up. I am unsure whether this is an effect of temperature or whether I had first made some monoammonium salt, or something else. Any ideas?


I intend to use the product to separate out cobalt and lithium salts derived from a growing pile of Li-ion batteries I have.
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[*] posted on 28-12-2020 at 03:16


Quote: Originally posted by j_sum1  
One thing has me intrigued: When I first started pushing the NH3 into the solution, a precipitate started to form after only a minute or so. Then I realised I had forgotten to put the receiving beaker in a cold water bath. A couple of minutes after packing it with ice, the solution completely cleared up. I am unsure whether this is an effect of temperature or whether I had first made some monoammonium salt, or something else. Any ideas?

Probably just the solution at the surface becoming saturated. Ive seen similar with HCl scrubber
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[*] posted on 28-12-2020 at 03:41


Quote: Originally posted by RustyShackleford  
Quote: Originally posted by j_sum1  
One thing has me intrigued: When I first started pushing the NH3 into the solution, a precipitate started to form after only a minute or so. Then I realised I had forgotten to put the receiving beaker in a cold water bath. A couple of minutes after packing it with ice, the solution completely cleared up. I am unsure whether this is an effect of temperature or whether I had first made some monoammonium salt, or something else. Any ideas?

Probably just the solution at the surface becoming saturated. Ive seen similar with HCl scrubber


I don't think so. When I was preparing the ice bath, I took it off the stirrer and a good crop of crystals rained down: to a depth of nearly 1cm in a 1L beaker. There was enough that it took s bit of work for the stir bar to engage again.
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[*] posted on 1-1-2021 at 07:04


I have distilled methyl salicylate. It's a good start of the new year - the first batch of the crude ester I've got more than 2 years ago, but the distillation at 221-224C was a challenge. Today I used a mercury thermometer calibrated on 1-decanol. It allowed me precise temp. control during the process (and I didn't get any success with other types of thermometers). As a heat source I used a heatgun @ 450-460C
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[*] posted on 22-1-2021 at 10:01


Brought two ounces of turmeric home from Mexico last year (raided Mom's spice cabinet) and fnally Soxhlet extracted it. Turned a bit of the resultant into Rosacyanine with Boric Acid. Alas, I had my phone and a pair of pliers in the same back pocket yesterday (and sat down), so no pics yet.



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[*] posted on 22-1-2021 at 14:15


Quote: Originally posted by arkoma  
Brought two ounces of turmeric home from Mexico last year (raided Mom's spice cabinet) and fnally Soxhlet extracted it. Turned a bit of the resultant into Rosacyanine with Boric Acid. Alas, I had my phone and a pair of pliers in the same back pocket yesterday (and sat down), so no pics yet.


Cool, I would like to see those photos.
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[*] posted on 22-1-2021 at 16:35


i'll rig up the webcam. pretty cool results from basically the spice cabinet and roach proof. and i forgot to mention the emerald green of the Boron ion in a flame.



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[*] posted on 23-1-2021 at 03:27
KMnO4 recrystallisation suggestions


I'm recrystalising some potassium permanganate to try to get as little impurities as practical.
( https://www.sciencemadness.org/whisper/viewthread.php?tid=15... )
I made a near saturated solution of commercial grade potassium permanganate in distilled water and left it for the water to slowly evaporate :

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does anyone know of a way to stop crystals forming on the walls above the liquid level ?
as I assume they will be no more pure than the liquor below so a waste of evaporation time - which is already about a month.
(I'm hoping for at least one 'nice' crystal at the bottom of the jar, and I've distilled some sulphuric acid already).

can anyone give me a guestimate of how many times to recrystalise KMnO4 to obtain potassium permanganate pure enough for the experiment in the thread that I pointed to above ?




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[*] posted on 23-1-2021 at 18:42


Sulaiman,

Potassium permanganate needs to be recrystallized from water very quickly and with minimal light exposure. The compound will decompose in water on long standing or excessive heating which you can note by a brown film on your recrystallization container. If you do not work fast, your sample will contaminated with manganese dioxide (the brown color.)

According to Perrin and Amarego (Purification of Laboratory Chemicals):

1. Crystallize KMnO4 from hot water at 65 C using 4 ml per gram. filter then dry in a vacuum desiccator over CaSO4. [Though not mentioned, I assume that the solution is cooled to ambient before filtration.]

2. Saturate an aqueous solution at 60 C, cool to room temperature in the dark the filter through a sinter glass funnel. Allow the filtrate to evaporate in air in the dark for 12 hours, decant the supernatent from the crystals which are dried as quickly as possible on filter paper.

One thing seems to be clear - do not overheat and work quickly.

Hope this helps,
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[*] posted on 23-1-2021 at 21:50
rosocyanine


Pictures from the other day.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosocyanine


Turmeric extract 91% IPA
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After gentle heating/stirring with Boric acid
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Hard to see the green of the Rosocyanine, but it's there
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[*] posted on 24-1-2021 at 09:12


We've been trying the reaction between potassium permanganate and hydrogen peroxide in a few slightly different ways.

It's a simple well-known reaction but we think it has a sweet spot in the category of easy yet somewhat dramatic reactions / experiments.
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[*] posted on 24-1-2021 at 14:05


I started with winemaking (dog rose wine) as source of carbon dioxide. Few months ago I got by this way sodium bicarbonate and ammonium bicarbonate (and got some apple cider by the way). Now it's time to potassium bicarbonate from wood ash extract, it's needed for purification of potassium compounds from ashes- by crystallisation of KHCO3.

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[*] posted on 30-1-2021 at 01:35


clobbered together a small electric furnace this afternoon. can finally have some CaO; have some lime in it now.

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