Blind Angel - 28-1-2003 at 13:28
i was looking at Megalomania's page for Acetone Peroxyde ( http://roguesci.org/megalomania/explo/acetoneperoxide.html ) and i saw on the reaction that they're was a radical (instead of acetone) so has
anyone tried to replace the Acetone in AP so i make another kind of Organic Peroxyde?
Flying Dutchman - 28-1-2003 at 15:14
There are more peroxides, HMTD is one of them. Do a search on E&W and you'll find more peroxides.
Polverone - 28-1-2003 at 16:18
Other simple ketones can form peroxides under conditions similar to those employed in making acetone peroxide. Methyl ethyl ketone peroxide, for
example, can be made this way. I would imagine that others might be possible - methyl isobutyl ketone peroxide, anyone?
Madog - 28-1-2003 at 16:36
cool idea polverone, ethers form exsplosive peroxides, but your not gona want that!
DeusExMachina - 28-1-2003 at 16:50
I was talking to Darkfire over AIM a few days ago and I told him about how I once tried making AP thinking that paint stripper (having toluene, methyl
chloride and methyl alcohol in it) was acetone. After mixing the paint stripper with the H2O2, large slime bubbles formed so I shook it up and a white
slime appeared at the bottom of the jar. I tried filtering it out and it looked like a clear gel/slime and it evaporated after aout 1 hout. Darkfire
said that this could be methyl peroxide or something. Does someone have anymore information on this?
Darkfire - 28-1-2003 at 21:22
That was a wild guess really, im not sure if it could happen, but a methyl group on opposite sides of a peroxide seem possible, although likely non
explosive.
My hypothosis is:
CH3-O-O-CH3
but then again im not as advanced as many other cheists here.
CTR
madscientist - 28-1-2003 at 22:21
That compound you diagrammed would actually be an extremely powerful explosive. I doubt it would be sufficiently stable to exist at terrestrial
temperatures; it would probably decompose (more of an intermediate in oxidation).
On a related note, I have observed the formation of a whitish oily gunk upon addition of 27.5% pool grade H2O2 to denatured
alcohol. It wasn't explosive.
Blind Angel - 29-1-2003 at 09:55
After reading here i discovered that nitrated compound seam to be explosive (dunno why, if someone can explain it to me would be nice) but would it be
possible to nitrate some Ketone Peroxide compound (like benzene can be nitrated) ?
Darkfire - 29-1-2003 at 17:49
Well the triple bond of nitrogen is very strong and holds/releases a huge amount of energy.
How would the compound i named by very powerful? Just wondering cuz it is nitrigen free, does it have to do with carbon, if so why isnt charcoal
explosive?
CTR
Blind Angel - 29-1-2003 at 18:53
I think that it's because of the Oxygene and the peroxo bridge (which is unstable) so when it's exposed to heat it make the following reaction
(theoricaly):
CH3OOCH3 + 3/2O2 => 3H2O + CO2
This reaction is exponential so that why it's explosive (also the bond thingy)
Blind Angel - 31-1-2003 at 14:41
What about grease Peroxyde, i red somewhere that grease with base can make a Ketone, would do a sort of macromolecule, extremely explosive i think?
Unstable?
PHILOU Zrealone - 19-3-2003 at 02:57
CH3-O-CH3 and CH3-O-O-CH3 are gaseous they won't form upon addition of H2O2 on CH3OH!
Dimethyl peroxyde is one of the dangerousest peroxides it can detonate as a gas, or as a liquid.
What is possible explanation for the white stuff:
CH3-CH2-OH + H2O2 --> CH3-CH=O + 2H2O
3CH3-CH=O --> (-CH(CH3)-O-)3 an unsoluble white compound
Nitration or nitratation of CTAP is impossible because it would need heat to perform and generate heat but CTAP is heat sensitive.
Most likely, you would end up with oxydation products and explosion!
To perform this reaction you have to introduce the NO2 in the aceton prior to reaction to make a peroxyde!
Chlorinated peroxides
Chemical Peach - 15-6-2003 at 04:22
Hi, I have heard it suggested before that a chlorinated form of a peroxide molecule could/would be formed if HCl were to be used as the catalyst in
synthesis? does anyone have any good reasoning that would prove/disprove this? (i know that if this is true than the HCl would not merely be a
catalyst)