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can someone dumb this down a little

Slimz - 25-9-2007 at 15:49

alkaloids are isolated from thr material in high yields and purity by a process including extracting with a toluene/ethanol solvent mixture to obtain a primary extract(i get that). The primary extract can be further subjected to two steps of liquid-liquid extraction to purify the alkaloids resulting in a purified toluene extract( liquid/liquid?). The toluene extract can be further partially evaporated and a crystalline product obtained by crystallization from the toluene or a mixture of toluene and an aliphatic hydrocarbon (this is what i dont get).

Slimz - 25-9-2007 at 16:00

why is everything on the Internet about mescaline and ergot when it comes to alkaloids??

anyway there is a large scale process that i was wondering about shown here
http://dhp.mraxe.com/mesc/

it is for purifying mescaline.. could i adapt that process for other alkaloids on a smaller scale??

[Edited on 25-9-2007 by Slimz]

chemrox - 25-9-2007 at 20:31

The understanding you seek requires an appreciation of acid and base chemistry. Also polar versus non-polar compounds .. dipoles ... ionic versus covalent bonds ... it's not a simple subject but is often presented as such by descriptions in "cookbook" procedures.

If this is a way for you to start learning chemistry great! If you're trying to get information on how to extract drugs there are better places to go.

You remind me a little of me when I came on this forum. All this knowledge and talent made me a bit manic. I suggest reading through the various threads using the search engine and posting less frequently until you have something specific to share as in an experiment you're doing.

[Edited on 25-9-2007 by chemrox]

Ozone - 25-9-2007 at 20:35

Perhaps this sort of thing should be in beginnings or not at all. I just don't know what to say that might not be offensive.

Seems like a terrible thing to do to a cactus.:(

Bummed,

O3

DerAlte - 25-9-2007 at 21:25

The time has come to speak out. I detect the following in posts from Slmz:

(1) Spamming

(2) Excessive interest in drug related topics, e.g. Red Phosporus, alkaloids etc. Phentermine hydrochloride; the latter "is related chemically and pharmacologically to the amphetamines. Amphetamines and related stimulant drugs have been extensively abused" (Rxlist)

(3) Little or zero interesting chemistry. either intelligent questions or interesting facts.

Has not the time come to exert anti-spamming and detritus controls? I expect to hear how kewl 'shrooms are next...

Der Alte

Sauron - 25-9-2007 at 22:22

I'm sorry, slimz you want to know what aliphatic means?

You didn't read Vogel yet it seems.

Make that a priority please.

franklyn - 26-9-2007 at 01:24

Quote:
Originally posted by Slimz
The primary extract can be further subjected to two steps of liquid-liquid extraction to purify the alkaloids resulting in a purified toluene extract( liquid/liquid?). The toluene extract can be further partially evaporated and a crystalline product obtained by crystallization from the toluene or a mixture of toluene and an aliphatic hydrocarbon (this is what i dont get).



This will get you started

http://www.chem.ualberta.ca/%7Eorglabs/videos/Videos.htm
See _
http://www.chem.ualberta.ca/%7Eorglabs/videos/RTS.wmv

http://chemed.chem.purdue.edu/genchem/topicreview/bp/ch15/so...

http://www.chem.csus.edu/forkey/Extraction/Forkeys_extractio...

http://aic.stanford.edu/sg/bpg/annual/v03/bp03-04.html

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stoichiometric_steve - 26-9-2007 at 02:45

Quote:
Originally posted by DerAlte
The time has come to speak out. I detect the following in posts from Slmz:

(1) Spamming


i agree. delete his posts. they are unbearable and belong in beginnings, if ANYWHERE.

Slimz - 26-9-2007 at 05:31

Thanks for the CONSTRUCTIVE information..

The videos rock...

anyone know who William Roberts is as in "Learn Organic Chemistry at Home" By: William Roberts.

im thinking of buying this book...

Eclectic - 26-9-2007 at 05:41

I don't know that we can dumb this down, but it might be possible to smarten you up. :P


Free online textbook in organic chemistry:

Daley and Daley Organic Chemistry Online Textbook

Slimz - 26-9-2007 at 05:59

thats a good idea.. thanks for the text.. between that and all the other stuff i have been reading i should be good...

As i told everyone.. i probably wont ask a smart question for at least a few weeks...

oh and look at this
http://www.acrobatfiles.com/pdf-156/chemistry.html


[Edited on 26-9-2007 by Slimz]

Polverone - 26-9-2007 at 08:41

Slimz, please read some of the references that people have been showing you -- especially the *books*. There's a lot of great material on the Web, but little of it is as concentrated and well-organized a source of knowledge as a good book. Fortunately, the forum library combines the best of both worlds by providing copies of good books in electronic form. I know you have many questions but I think you should hold back on asking them until you've done some background reading. It's frustrating responding to queries from someone who hasn't read the freely available textbooks covering the areas of interest.

Slimz - 26-9-2007 at 09:03

Im going thru the PDF textbook provided above. Out of all the books i've seen so far, it seems the most geared tward teaching. The other books will be good when i get to that level, but they are more geared tward information instead of knowledge.

[Edited on 26-9-2007 by Slimz]