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[*] posted on 11-11-2008 at 07:34
Strange peroxide outcome


Hi, all science-madnessers

I recently came across some strange properties of a new(?)
substance.So here is the description of the experimental setting and what had happened, I hope you enjoy it:

According to a patent, the chemist read which was registered in June this year, hydrogen peroxide forms an adduct with nitrates, so that the vapour pressure is hightened and hydrogen peroxide is more easily concentrated, when, e.g., ammonium nitrate is present.

So the mad scientist had some old ANNM in a cup, which had gotten considerably wet. It was dehydrated by placing a dish with H2SO4 into the cup and covering it with cling foil.

After a few days had passed, the H2SO4 had increased to the double of its original volume and had formed two layers, so probably the NM had been adsorbed by the acid, because the second layer had turned black and oily.

the dish was taken out of the cup and the nitrate had a distinct smell of the acid (the scientist thought, well, a bit of sulfur and oxygen in acidic enviroment could give it a bit more blasting power).

Now to the more interesting part; half of the nitrate was taken and 50% H2O2 was added, all in a vaccum set-up for destillation.

The nitrate was still a bit oily because of residual NM.

The destillation went well, but the chemist, being mad (=a fan of) about azeotropically stripping-off water of anything, added toluene first, which seemed to work, then ethyl acetate, because he thought, that would also strip off some of the remainder of the NM.

After heating to ~120°C at 90 torr, the residue became, as decsribed in the patent, more sticky and was estimated 70-85% H2O2 concentration, the chemist used a threefold stoichiometric excess of peroxide to the nitrate, which is said to give a slurry and so it did.

Because the mad scientist thought, well, the oil could be a reason for misconstruction, he added acetone, and it turned immediately to a white mass, by touching the slurry, then being covered and admixed with said the peroxide nitrate slurry.

Because the scientist eventually knew too little about acetone-triperoxide, he thought, that it might have formed, so with the utmost caution a few 10th of milligrams were taken and tested to hammer-shock, fire, friktion etc. . Nothing happened, burned nearly like normal nitrate!

It was then carefully, but with distinct pressure via an artificial limb, pressed into a plastic-shell of about 1,5" inches diameter.
A remainder of the nitrate-peroxidate slurry was added ontop, making a total weight of appr. 18g.

He dreamed it were fired with 2g of HDTP and was *very* powerful, e.g., a full detonation, he dreamt of seeing the shock-wave bending the windows far away, giving a hit into the covered ears, that made them ring for a split second and the sound was like every detonation's sound ever produced at once.

Nice.

So probably an acetone-NM adduct, like >O-O-CH2-NO2?
O2N-CH2-O-O-CH2-NO2 or maybe even more, like adding one or two acetone peroxide to the latter, stabilized by the H-O-O-H NH4 NO3 complex?
What about the residue of the H2SO4?

Sincerely, oxide

[Edited on 11-11-2008 by oxide]
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[*] posted on 24-1-2009 at 06:50


Heating was 40- 60° at 90mm HG for about 6 hours. The slurry was an EDDN and H2O2 adduct, th Acetone gave powder, which was pressable, detonatable and safe to handle.

The booster used was a few (about 8g) grams EDDN with 2ml methylnitrate.

Caveat emptor.

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[*] posted on 24-1-2009 at 11:24


Strange indeed! Sorry, what was the question. . .?
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