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[*] posted on 30-11-2004 at 02:39


The structural formula on the page Rosco posted is wrong. If I had to place bets, I would bet the incorrect maltitol would nitrate well, spot the mistake to see why.

Antifreeze, sorbitol, PE etc, these are not sugars and the difference is important.
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[*] posted on 30-11-2004 at 05:18


I am well aware of what a sugar is, and the procedure I used was my own, in fact I did it long before Rosco posted his procedure. I will retry the synthesis once I get some more acids, but that is off topic. Maltitol is a very large molecule...perhaps it is in someway it is impeding nitration? I believe it forms a hexanitrate or octanitrate, but I am in school and don't want to look around since I'm doing other work :p.

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[*] posted on 30-11-2004 at 06:43


I'm not saying you dont know the difference but mistakes have been made in the thread that collectivly lead in the wrong direction.

I look at maltitol and it amazes me anyone would think its a good candidate for a nitrated explosive.
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[*] posted on 30-11-2004 at 16:04


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The structural formula on the page Rosco posted is wrong. If I had to place bets, I would bet the incorrect maltitol would nitrate well, spot the mistake to see why


Hmmmm . Please explain .

Also with regard to why maltitol might form a useful nitration product , well that possibility is likely because the parent sugar forms a useful nitration product which was patented . The polyols are generally more stable and powerful following nitration , than the nitration products of sugars from which they derive . So why would this general rule not apply to maltitol ? Ditto for lactitol and other polyols .
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[*] posted on 1-12-2004 at 11:40


Also, relating to Rosco's post, I have found patents (now forgotten) regarding Maltitol's nitrate for a slurry explosive, so it is defiently explosive then, at least to some extent.
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[*] posted on 2-12-2004 at 15:44


At first glance it looks like an ether of 2 polyols and nitration looks fairly standard. Count the carbons though and get 13, not 12. Fairly easy to spot where the problem is, a bent line should be straight and if the molecule splits (which is now much easier and plausable to my mind in mixed acid) its now a polyol and a reducing sugar.
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[*] posted on 2-12-2004 at 22:22


I think they mean to show an Oxygen substituted for one Carbon in what would otherwise be a standard benzene ring structure . See the "O" at the vertex and the broken line . They represent the same structure the same way for lactitol .

http://www.grokfood.com/jecfa/additive_0241.htm

So they either got 'em both right , or we need to teach them how to draw :D

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[*] posted on 3-9-2014 at 05:27


Quote: Originally posted by Nevermore  
looks like nobody tried to nitrate it until now

Seems like you're about 100 years late if you wanted to be first, T.L Davis quotes "Pictet and Reilly, Helv. Chim. Acta, 4, 613 (1921)".
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[*] posted on 3-9-2014 at 10:11


Seems like you are about 10 years late with this post Fulmen.
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[*] posted on 3-9-2014 at 21:29


Yeah, talk about making an ass of myself :P
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