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[*] posted on 6-11-2025 at 07:42
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SMX (1,4-dinitrato-2,3-dinitro-2,3-bis(nitratomethyl)butane) is the highest density nitrate ester known and as far as I'm aware the highest performing castable explosive known (defined as <100C mp), both in brisance and power due to its perfect oxygen balance (0% to CO2). It's detonation velocity and pressure are comparable to HMX, but I've never seen measured properties apart from its density of 1.917g/cm3. Calculated properties give it 9200m/s and 40GPa det pressure.

I ran across a far more convenient route to SMX, the intermediate tris(hydroxymethly)nitromethane (THMN) is made via a much cleaner reaction of nitromethane, paraformaldehyde with a touch on KOH in ethyl acetate which produces very nice white needle crystals free of the orange resin which forms when done in aqueous solution. I've repeated this reaction, it is very good.

The next reactions run very smoothly as well, The dehydrative condensation of THMN to acetone using P2O5, surprisingly results in a nice white crystalline powder when the resulting gum is dissolved in water.

The 3rd step, the oxidative coupling of the ketal protected compound is smooth as well, using NaOH and sodium persulphate, its precipitates freely from aqueous solution, the published reaction time I believe may be excessive it seems to drop out quite quickly. However, recrystallisation from ethanol was necessary to free it from an insoluble higher melting point product. It forms nice glittering plates from ethanol tested for correct mp. of 131C.

The only real stumbling block is the nitration, you have two choices, direct nitration of the ketal protected intermediate or acid hydrolysis to free the tetramethylol product before nitration. The later, being way less convenient but supposedly results in higher yields overall. I went with direct nitration, first using fuming HNO3 as in the literature then with KNO3/H2SO4. The fuming HNO3 attempt was a bit of a mess as I didn't recrystallise the intermediate which was shown to be less than pure. I won't comment much on it, but a small yield was produced that was difficult to free from an oily product, it was very explosive though.

H2SO4/KNO3 nitration went very smoothly, there is practically no exothermic nature to it. Added 5 g recrystallised dimeric ketal protected intermediate to 25 g KNO3 in 60 mL H2SO4 in a few portions at 5C but I think I could have just thrown it all in at once. The glittering crystals after stirring for a while turned into a milky suspension. No further cooling was used, ambient was 6C and reaction temp never went above 10C. Dunked it in 200 mL water with 200 g of ice, a white powderous precipitate formed (using just HNO3 resulted initially in an oil). Filtered, washed with bicarb. Recrystallisation was done, 1 g of product quickly dissolved into 10 g of hot isopropanol, cooling produced what looked like a coagulated resinous mass but this quickly turned into a fine white crystalline precipitate that was filtered and dried. Yield was about 4g from the 5g of precursor.

Testing the melting point, just by placing some on the centre of a thermostat hotplate with temp readout gave 75C mp, this is bad as it should be 85C. But testing purified ETN gave a 55C reading whereas it should be 61C. It thinking the hotplate just heats up too fast in the initial stages and the probe cannot keep up. This method is fairly consistant within a few degrees at higher temps. It was spot on at reading the 131C mp of the intermediate, but at that range the temp it is increasing far slower.

Testing the presumed SMX, it deflagrates much the same as PETN, with no real residue but leaves a tarnished stain on Al foil. It seems about as impact sensitive as PETN, as it should based on the literature. It propagates detonation easier under the blow of a ball peen hammer, what I mean by this is that PETN will snap and spread the loose surrounds about, whereas SMX is more likely to transmit its detonation into it giving a much louder and forceful bang. On the hotplate mentioned earlier, it melts at "75C", starts to bubble and decompose at 145C, vigorous bubbling and red fumes at 165C and ignites at 187C.

Some pictures. A hammer blow where it propagates into the loose powder for a powerful detonation. The crystals from isopropanol were very small, microscope struggles here but were quite spherical in nature.


[Edited on 6-11-2025 by Axt]

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[*] posted on 6-11-2025 at 10:08


I did some work on SMX in my final thesis at the university (though I called it NDBD at the time). I tested the different nitration systems I had access to and found that HNO3/Ac2O, mixed acids and N2O5 in HNO3 (via P2O5) all gave a decent yield (77-85 % crude) when nitrating. I only nitrated the deprotected substrate (and the deprotection was a little annoying, IIRC). I did Raman spectra of the synthesized compounds and they corresponded nicely with the predicted spectrum, clearly showing the absense of -O-H (so indicating full nitration).
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[*] posted on 6-11-2025 at 10:15


Really impressive work!


Would be very interested to see how it goes in a melting point apparatus where the temperature ramps much more gradually. Maybe there is still a small amount of impurity in there forming a eutectic and lowering the melting point slightly if it isn't the hotplate.

Is it possible that the crystal structure/type forms hotspots more efficiently resulting in enhanced shockwave propagation in the hammer test. That coupled with the higher crystal density would be beneficial.





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[*] posted on 6-11-2025 at 16:17


Experiments and simulations on interactions between 2,3-bis(hydroxymethyl)-2,3-dinitro-1,4-butanediol tetranitrate (DNTN) with some energetic components and inert materials

doi.org/10.1016/j.fpc.2021.06.001

3.3.1. The impact and friction sensitivities
There are many uses for knowing the sensitivity of energetic materials to impact and friction stimuli, which can propose the evaluation of energetic materials’ practical application over time. The sensitivity of the systems between DNTN with some energetic materials was confirmed, and the results listed in Table 4. From the results depicted in Table 4, it can be seen that the tested mixtures are more sensitive to friction stimuli for which the values for most of the mixtures are 100 % under the investigated condition, while the impact sensitivity is lower than that of pure DNTN sample. From the impact sensitivity viewpoint, the DNTN in combination with some energetic materials are sensitive except for (5), (7) and (11). The RDX, HMX and CL-20 in systems (5), (7) and (11) are very sensible, and it makes the system more sensitive. Binary systems (9), (13) and (15) are of great compatibility and low sensitivity. Contrasting the sensitivity results with compatibility experiments data that there was no consequential trend between the sensitivity and compatibility. Systems (17) and (19) are incompatible while their impact and friction sensitivities are very low. Binary system (11) displays a moderate compatibility, while its impact and friction sensitivity is very high. However, if the energetic materials can react with each other when they are mixed, they must be incompatible and very sensitive.


Melting Point 86.8 °C Melts before decomposition.

Decomposition Temp. 185.1 °C (exothermic peak)
Temperature at which rapid decomposition begins under standard test conditions.

Density (Theoretical) ~1.853 g/cm³ Varies in mixtures, e.g., 1.697–1.752 g/cm³ in DNTN-based propellants.

Impact Sensitivity Moderate (e.g., 10 cm H50 value for pure DNTN) Generally lower than CL-20, but can be sensitive in some mixtures.

Friction Sensitivity High (e.g., 100% reaction under tested conditions for pure DNTN) More sensitive to friction than impact stimuli.
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[*] posted on 6-11-2025 at 23:27


Everyone seems to designate a different name to it, NEST-1 and Hisk75 are a couple more, but SMX seems to have stuck the most. I think its hype died down after its thermal instability became apparent, so like the vast majority of discoveries it's unlikely to ever find use in industry.

I assume you were using the patent route Microtek? Theres a lot of hurdles in route for the amateur. The simple condensation of NIBG with acetone using P2O5 was the biggest key to opening it up. The "dimerization" via NaOH and persulphate confuses me, why is it heated with NaOH for an hour before the addition of persulphate?

If I was to do it again I'd probably use a larger excess of KNO3/H2SO4, I used a 3x excess but it's likely that the protecting fragment is also being subjected to nitration, possibly to nitroform so this should be accounted for.

Yeh Greenlight. It's totally plausible that it's the crystal form and size that allow ease of propagation, but I don't know of any specific study on that. It does seem likely there is one somewhere though. Comparing critical diameter to crystal size/morphology.


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[*] posted on 7-11-2025 at 00:54


Yes, I used dimethoxypropane for the protection step. Very clean and easy reaction. I used way too much time trying out different ways to prepare dialkoxypropane from acetone, alcohol and different dehydrating agents. In the end, I just bought it.
Regarding the coupling reaction, I think the heating step with NaOH is to dissolve the substrate before the addition of persulfate.
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[*] posted on 7-11-2025 at 03:06


AXT. You mention thermal instability, what would be a reasonable decomposition temp for an industry suitable melt cast? My understanding is a 100c past casting temperature?
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[*] posted on 7-11-2025 at 11:39


It's not so much the decomposition temperature that is the problem but rather that in 18 days at 20 C, 0.02 % of the material decomposes. In comparison RDX takes a couple hundred years to do the same.
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[*] posted on 7-11-2025 at 16:41


Google's AI overview summed up very well what the problem is with SMX.

"The primary disadvantages of the explosive DNTN (2,3-bis(hydroxymethyl)-2,3-dinitro-1,4-butanediol tetranitrate) include potential compatibility issues with other energetic materials and propellants, which can lead to instability, and a high sensitivity to friction stimuli.

Disadvantages of DNTN

Compatibility Issues: DNTN exhibits poor to bad compatibility when mixed with certain energetic components and inert materials, such as dinitrofuroxan (DNTF), N-guanylurea-dinitramide (GUDN), and N-butyl-N-(2-nitroxy-ethyl)nitramine (Bu-NENA). This incompatibility can result in a significant decrease in the mixture's thermal decomposition temperature, making the combination hazardous and unsuitable for long-term storage or use in practical applications.

High Friction Sensitivity: While its impact sensitivity can be low in certain mixtures, DNTN mixtures generally show high sensitivity to friction stimuli, with most tested mixtures showing 100% sensitivity under standard test conditions. This necessitates careful handling and specific manufacturing processes to ensure safety.

Need for Stabilizing Agents: Like other aliphatic nitrate esters, DNTN can be unstable under ambient conditions. Stabilizing agents must be incorporated into energetic compositions to inhibit or slow down decomposition reactions.

Potential Toxicity: Although research often focuses on performance and physical properties, many explosive materials, including DNTN, are known to have toxic and/or carcinogenic effects, posing potential health and environmental risks that require strict safety protocols and remediation strategies.

In short, while DNTN is a high-energy material with good performance potential, its use is challenging due to specific compatibility issues with other components in a mixture and its sensitivity to friction, requiring careful formulation and handling procedures."


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[*] posted on 12-11-2025 at 12:36


I tried mixed 68% nitric acid and 98% sulphuric acid. This is much hotter than the fuming nitric or mixed nitrate salt methods. I'm guessing the higher water content initiated deprotection easier (hydrolysis to acetone) and it accelerated into a runaway, nothing was recovered. Mixed at -5C, temp lay dormant, but the crystals looked to form into resinous small beads. On allowing it to slowly warm to room temp it fired off into a red volcano, this was all outside so I let it run its course. For the record 5 g dimer, 23 g 68% HNO3, 64 g 98% H2SO4, running this same protocol on erythritol for example would have been a totally fine cool nitration.

Quote: Originally posted by Microtek  
Regarding the coupling reaction, I think the heating step with NaOH is to dissolve the substrate before the addition of persulfate.


Mines immediately dissolving in hot NaOH so heating for 1 hr I don't think is necessary. A bit like the 20 hr oxidation, it seems excessive based on the observed precipitation but since its run at room temp it's not such a bother.

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AXT. You mention thermal instability, what would be a reasonable decomposition temp for an industry suitable melt cast? My understanding is a 100c past casting temperature?


I guess if an arbitrary figure was wanted 100C seems reasonable. It depends on the scale, you'll never heat a large quantity evenly enough, so you need a larger safety margin. It's a bit easier on the smaller scale.

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[*] posted on 25-11-2025 at 23:07


Just an update on the melting point, I placed a small portion of naphthalene next to the SMX and slowly raised the temperature 5C at a time, letting it stabilise from 70C. Nap melted at 81C (lit. 78-81C), SMX melted at 84C (lit 85-86C). Considering the crudeness of this test I'm convinced it is relatively pure SMX at this point, the higher decomposition and ignition temps match that which is published as well. It's possible that the earlier 75C test was holding onto residual recrystallisation solvent that has been lost in the past 2 weeks, as all these tests are of the same batch.
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[*] posted on 10-4-2026 at 22:34


I cast everything I had lying about that can be cast.

These were all approx. 5 mL charges poured into PP vial, 1 g penthrinite booster to interface the detonator with the cast charge. Held centred and vertical with a 3D printed holder on a 6060 aluminium target.

ATN: 4-aminotriazole nitrate, failed to initiate but shows the effect of the 1 g booster. It set into a translucent glassy mass rather than crystalline. Calculated VoD 7460m/s.

MOAN: Methoxyamine nitrate, this stuff is hyper deliquescent, difficult to dry and the cast had turned semiliquid in the warm vehicle no doubt had a fair percentage of water still present.

R-Salt: Casts fine although needs more heating than the rest, sets quickly though. There were a few small bubble voids present. Its detonation looks exactly what you'd expect from something oxygen-balanced to carbon powder.

DNAF: Dinitroazoxyfurazan, disappointing results. I was aiming to cast up to the raised rim on the vial but the DNAF come up short so i was thinking damn it is actually dense, then it started expanding, so it went from considerably below the line as a liquid to considerably above the line as a solid. Would need to be investigated but it seems to form a low density polymorph from the melt.

ETN: Erythitol tetranitrate is great. Casts easily but always a worry with its reported sensitivity at its phase change temp. Reported VoD 8050m/s @ 1.7g/cm3 cast.

ATP: 4-aminotriazole perchlorate, this is one of the highest performing reported castable explosives, Cast d. 1.82, VoD 8516 m/s. It casts really well, forming mobile, clear liquid that takes a few hours to set.

SMX: Even though on paper it was between SMX and DNAF it did actually surprise me that it come out on top. There was noticable bubbles forming and a foam on top of the melt. Turned a bit yellowy brown on melting. It had been stored in a freezer for 4 months. There was a few noticable small voids present.

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[*] posted on 10-4-2026 at 23:19


Great work Axt. Have you examined the reproducibility of this way to measure power (such as doing the same compound multiple times and computing the variance)?
Your results with ATP matches mine; it is remarkable that such a simple salt is so powerful. It's just a shame that it is both very sensitive and very hygroscopic.
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[*] posted on 11-4-2026 at 01:39


Nah, what you see is as much as I've done. The expansion was the only precise measurement I could trust; the callipers were rested on two 8mm copper plates, giving a measurement height of 16mm up the 20mm Al target. This had to be kept consistent, as the expansion tapers from top to bottom.

Attached is the SMX melt showing the bubbling. It didn't seem to affect the results much, as most of it had risen to the top on setting, but you can see it's not a nice casting. The SMX was perfectly white beforehand.

The expansion of DNAF is shown in the pic. It started oozing up like a volcano as the melt solidified and expanded extruding up the still liquid portion. It was horrific.

I did attempt the 50:50 ATP-ATN eutectic but it took forever to solidify then went back to a water-like liquid in the warm truck so I never fired it.

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[*] posted on 11-4-2026 at 23:53


Regarding the dent measurement, one option if you don't have a dial indicator would be to use a steel bearing. You could then place it in the dent and measure from the back of the plate to the furthest point of the bearing. The dent depth would then be diameter of the bearing + original plate thickness - the caliper measurement. I think this might be a better method than the one I'm using with the dial indicator, since I would guess it is easier to locate the bottom of the dent this way.

In the DNAF casting, what is the dark area at the top?
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[*] posted on 12-4-2026 at 02:37


Now that you say that, there is a dial indicator somewhere laying about for the mill. There is literally crap just strewn everywhere around this place. The bearing is a good idea though. This would be the cheap option https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005006832091187.html . I still like the side expansion as a simple clean smooth measurement, but should check the correlation with depth.

The dark part is the penthrinite. It can be seen on the ATP above as well. I wasn't going to just sit the det on a casting and hope for the best, so I interfaced it with a plastic explosive. I chose it because it's smokeless and wouldn't contaminate the explosion in that regard, but they all looked pretty much the same, boring, except for R-salt, which is shown above. Same penthrinite as here: https://www.sciencemadness.org/whisper/viewthread.php?tid=15...


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[*] posted on 12-4-2026 at 11:30


Quote: Originally posted by Axt  

ATP: 4-aminotriazole perchlorate, this is one of the highest performing reported castable explosives, Cast d. 1.82, VoD 8516 m/s. It casts really well, forming mobile, clear liquid that takes a few hours to set.

Wow! Excellent Power!
What pH has ATP solution? It is not danger to melt it?

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[*] posted on 12-4-2026 at 12:46


ATP is very sensitive to impact as a solid, so we must assume that it is at least as sensitive in the molten state. Also, it is very hygroscopic. It might be possible to find some kind of co-crystallizing system that could reduce the hygroscopicity, but I don't know of any way to predict that sort of thing.
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[*] posted on 12-4-2026 at 13:16


I don't know what the pH is. I followed the lit. method which neutralises a methanol solution of 4-amino-1,2,4-triazole with HClO4, but then let the methanol boil until near the correct weight was achieved and then cooled to a crystal slurry. Left over CaCl2 with a bit of P2O5 for good measure for a week or so.

It's not hyper sensitive, maybe a little more than ETN although its response is far more energetic, a bit like SMX in that regard, it'll let you know when it goes unlike ETN which starts meekly. It's quite difficult to ignite, melts and then you have to hold the flame on it for some time to get a fast flash. It has a high decomp. temp.

Incompatibilities may be an issue, I'm not sure I'd feel comfortable pouring it over copper.
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[*] posted on 12-4-2026 at 23:05


For the record, I would also characterize ETN as "very sensitive".
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