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[*] posted on 7-1-2010 at 08:59
Sulphur trioxide from silver sulphate


I was wondering about a method to produce sulphur trioxide without demanding great deals of heat. Reading A Comprehensive Treatise on Inorganic and Theoretical Chemistry 8 I found something very interresting about it. Let's see what is in page 102.

According to J. B. Senderens, the reaction with sulphur when boiled with cuprous and cupric oxides, or with silver oxide, can be symbolized: 4Ag2O + 4S ~> 3Ag2S + Ag2SO4; and 3Ag2SO4 + 4S ~> 3Ag2S + 4 SO3.

The silver may be recovered for further use. Although, the book seems to not claim the temperature that the sulphur trioxide releases, but it still looks a nice procedure for small batches of sulphur trioxide.

So, any ideas? How to make it work?

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[*] posted on 7-1-2010 at 09:12


Does it give any reference information other than "according to J. B. Senderens..."? If it does, paste it here and I'll get the relevant paper, which should hopefully have the experimental details.
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[*] posted on 7-1-2010 at 09:20


The came from here: [ http://library.sciencemadness.org/library/books/Mellor_ACTIT... ]. That is the best I can show you now, DJF90.

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[*] posted on 7-1-2010 at 09:54
Sulphur trioxide from lead!


In the same book, I also find that reaction: Pb + 6SO2 ~> PbS + S + 2SO3.

Sulphur dioxide is pretty easy to make and lead is easily available. How could someone produce sulphur trioxide by that way? I suppose it would demand a certain amount of heat...

Any ideas?

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[*] posted on 7-1-2010 at 10:21


Dúlio, all the usual methods of preparing oleum have been attempted by members on this forum with the possible exception of electrolysis of concentrated H2SO4.
If the electrolytic method does indeed work it would be relatively painless by comparison with sulphate decomposition methods.
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[*] posted on 7-1-2010 at 10:24


I am new here, therefore I am not very familiar with the site yet. Would mind send me the links of the best procedures discussed here, hissingnoise?



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[*] posted on 7-1-2010 at 11:43


Try here :
http://www.sciencemadness.org/talk/viewthread.php?tid=727
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[*] posted on 7-1-2010 at 11:49


Useful link, Picric-A.

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[*] posted on 8-1-2010 at 02:00


You should look into antimony sulphate as well, there's a reference somewhere according to which it decomposes into SO3 at a moderate temperature. The tricky part will be to completely dry it as it hydrolyzes easily, just like most antimony salts.

Unlike silver, antimony can be bought on Ebay for decent prices and in kg quantities.

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[*] posted on 8-1-2010 at 07:04


Thank you for the hint, Taoiseach. Unfortunately antimony is not easy available here. I know silver nitrate is expensive but its silver mais be recovered. I also suppose that silver would work better due its high atomic radius and relatively low energetic demands on reactions.

So am I right?

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