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quicksilver
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I know some of you are parents.
I can personally vouch that several of my friends have had issues with their school and their child getting in very serious trouble for.......
bringing blunt "child scissors" to school (expelled), bringing a pair of nail clippers to school (expelled), telling another child in elementary
school "I'm gonna' kill you" (in reference to SPORTS) - he was suspended and sent to "counseling". Throwing mud at another child (5th grade)
suspended, sent to counseling. Chasing a girl around the playground with a grasshopper (expelled), Playing with a broken TV remote-control during
recess....police called: child suspended.
This was all in United States public schools from a selection of parents with diverse social-economic and educational backgrounds.
I remember when I was a child I brought a magnifying glass to school and got in trouble for burning my name in leaves. I was lectured on fire danger
and sent back to class; told to pick up my magnifying glass when I went home after school and not to do that anymore as it was irresponsible. I
didn't, it was, & I learned a lesson. Today, the school would go on "lock-down", the bomb squad would be called and the magnifying glass would be
described as a weapon to a gaggle of reporters.
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psychokinetic
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And the kid would learn that it's a great way to get attention.
“If Edison had a needle to find in a haystack, he would proceed at once with the diligence of the bee to examine straw after straw until he found
the object of his search.
I was a sorry witness of such doings, knowing that a little theory and calculation would have saved him ninety per cent of his labor.”
-Tesla
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MagicJigPipe
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I got into a huge ordeal in junior high when some little punk overheard me and my friends discussing the physics of explosives. He told an
administrator and the next thing we knew we were being interviewed and accused of plotting "the next Columbine". Nothing ever came of it but ever
since then the school staff wouldn't let me fart in their general direction without making a huge deal out of it. I transferred to a different school
the next year.
Also, around that same time (I can't remember which incident occurred first) my friend's father kept accusing us of making bombs because we were
interested in electronics and would routinely build electronic devices. Naturally, if your child is interested in something as nerdy as electronics
(as opposed to booze and smoking cigarettes) it MUST be for nefarious purposes.
Intelligence (and I'm not necessarily saying that we were so don't go there) is no longer rewarded or praised, it is chastised and treated with
suspicion.
"There must be no barriers to freedom of inquiry ... There is no place for dogma in science. The scientist is free, and must be free to ask any
question, to doubt any assertion, to seek for any evidence, to correct any errors. ... We know that the only way to avoid error is to detect it and
that the only way to detect it is to be free to inquire. And we know that as long as men are free to ask what they must, free to say what they think,
free to think what they will, freedom can never be lost, and science can never regress." -J. Robert Oppenheimer
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psychokinetic
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Yeah, welcome to my high school life.
I wasn't into drugs, smoking, drinking, skipping school.
I did my work, was polite to teachers.
So obviously I was a delinquent.
“If Edison had a needle to find in a haystack, he would proceed at once with the diligence of the bee to examine straw after straw until he found
the object of his search.
I was a sorry witness of such doings, knowing that a little theory and calculation would have saved him ninety per cent of his labor.”
-Tesla
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franklyn
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Before regulation managed so much of our lives for our own good
TO ALL THE KIDS WHO SURVIVED THE
40's, 50's, 60's and 70's!
First, we survived being born to mothers who smoked and/or drank
while they were pregnant.
They took aspirin, ate blue cheese dressing, tuna from a can
and didn't get tested for diabetes.
Then after that trauma, we were put to sleep on our tummies in baby cribs
covered with bright colored lead-base paints.
We had no child proof lids on medicine bottles, no locks on doors or cabinets
and when we rode our bikes, we had baseball caps not helmets on our heads.
As infants & children, we rode in cars with no car seats, no booster seats,
no seat belts, no air bags, bald tires and sometimes bad brakes.
Riding in the back of a pick-up truck on a warm day was always a special treat.
We drank water from the garden hose and not from bottled water.
We ate worms and mud pies made from dirt,
and the worms did not live in us forever.
We shared one soft drink with four friends, from one bottle
and no one actually died from this.
We ate cupcakes, white bread, real butter and bacon.
We drank Kool-Aid made with real white sugar, and,
we weren't overweight. WHY?
Because we were always outside playing...that's why!
We did not have Playstations, Nintendo's and X-boxes.
There were no video games, no 150 channels on cable.
No video movies or DVD's, no surround-sound or CD's.
No cell phones, No personal computers, no Internet and no chat rooms.
WE HAD FRIENDS
And we went outside and met them !
We rode bikes or walked to a friend's house and knocked on the door
or rang the bell, or just walked in to talk them.
We would leave home in the morning and play all day,
as long as we were back when the streetlights came on.
No one was able to reach us all day, and we were O.K.
We fell out of trees, got cut, broke bones and teeth
and there were no lawsuits from these accidents.
We were given BB guns for our 10th birthdays, made up games
with sticks and tennis balls and, although we were told it would happen,
we did not put out any eyes.
We would spend hours building our go-carts out of scraps
and then ride them down the hill, only to find out we forgot the brakes.
After running into the bushes a few times, we learned to solve the problem.
Little League had tryouts and not everyone made the team.
Those who didn't had to learn to deal with disappointment.
Imagine that !
These generations have produced some of the best Risk-takers, problem solvers
and inventors ever. The past 50 years have been an explosion of innovation and
new ideas. We had freedom, failure, success and responsibility, and we learned
how to deal with it all.
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related musing _
http://www.sciencemadness.org/talk/viewthread.php?tid=9661#p...
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ElectroWin
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this was a science project.
what school policy was violated?
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elementcollector1
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Technology = bomb.
...I hate the American education system.
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bfesser
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When I was fairly young (elementary), I was constantly bringing breadboards and electronics components to school to tinker with during recess or lunch
breaks. I never got into real trouble for it... of course, that was pre-9/11, and I wasn't stupid enough to cram wires into a Gatorade bottle.
Though, I remember having a lock pick set confiscated once, in High School (2003?). Some **** substitute teacher had taken it away from me, claiming
that they (she had no idea what they were) were 'weapons'. I went to the principal and demanded that it be returned. When she asked what it was, I
told her that it was a lock pick set and that I'd read the pertinent laws, and lock picks are legal to carry in Minnesota, unless the cops can prove
malicious/criminal intent. Apparently the principal had already consulted with the police liaison officer, and knew this—she must have
expected me to be unaware of my rights. As a precaution, in case of such a situation, I always had a padlock or two in my pocket to produce as
'evidence' of non-criminal intent. I got it back right away.  I think they were
a little intimidated that I wasn't afraid of their bureaucratic fear-mongering bullshit.
Then there was the time that a teacher threatened to send me and a classmate/friend to the principal for arguing with her in front of the class... so
my friend and I walked out and went to the principal on our own, and told her that we'd bring down a shitstorm against the teacher, school, and
district, if she (the principal) didn't take action against the teacher for bullying students. Of course, it was a science class, and my friend and I
had simply pointed out fallacies and lies that the teacher had presented as fact. Luckily, for my friend, his father was a state senator and also a
regular substitute teacher in the district. I wasn't as lucky. The teacher tried to fail me (hard to falsely 'fail' someone with an A+), and I
nearly got her fired (teacher's unions are bullshit). I graduated and moved on before achieving this goal.
I hated public school...
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S.C. Wack
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The paranoia with buying chemicals at the hardware store was already in full force 20-25 years ago here, the store next to my school got kids arrested
a few times for "bomb making material", at a different store, I was followed out to my car by an owner (part time fireman) who made sure I saw him
writing down my license plate, just for scanning ingredients in a couple items and not buying anything...
Ah...now I understand...see picture
http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/Global/story.asp?S=12346532
A man who caused a Hawaiian Airlines flight to reverse course over the North Pacific under F-15 fighter escort had charges against him dropped in
federal court Tuesday. Joseph Hedlund Johnson of Salem, Oregon will instead have to apologize in writing and perform community service for his actions
on an aborted flight from Portland to Honolulu January 8.
Johnson was responsible for two fighter jets accompanying the Hawaiian Air flight back to Portland after he refused to give up his carry-on bag and
filled out a comment card referring to plane crashes, Gilligan's Island and sharks.
Johnson will instead perform 50 hours of community service, abstain from drug or alcohol use and write a letter of apology to Hawaiian Air and his
fellow passengers aboard flight 39.
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This is a new world of technologies everyone should have their right make anything they want which is not very harmful to them.
And I agree with that if someone is doing something in which he/she has interest than let them do and review if it is good for them or not and guide
them
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elementcollector1
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Quote: Originally posted by alan309  | This is a new world of technologies everyone should have their right make anything they want which is not very harmful to them.
And I agree with that if someone is doing something in which he/she has interest than let them do and review if it is good for them or not and guide
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Oh, sure, not harmful to them - but what about harm to others?
And what if someone has an interest in disassociation of your respective body parts?
Not saying I'm for all this damned legislation, but I am heavily against blanket statements.
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Fantasma4500
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laughing of hopelessness.. ''nothing is so bad its not good for something''
infact.. if you can just remember that C4 contains 91% RDX then youre a wisest person average persons have ever met, i think thats pretty sad people
take you for genious if you can remember 3 letters and percentage of somthing..
some of you will surely doubt im the smartest around, im sure im not.. but i do have a burning desire and interest in chemistry and ofcourse in
releasing energy in form of different reactions, when thats said i think we live in a society where stereotypes of idiocracy breeds and is praised by
the usual western type government, mentality towards homechemistry and even stuff that does on or without purpose goes bang changes radically, people
laugh and clap at it where the further west and more civilized you go the more police will show up in less time when you mention chemistry or well im
very sure that if you called the police station in my town and said you have 50 litres of dyhydrogenmonoxide that you are ready to let out on an open
trafficked street you would have quite some trouble in little time
sad and yet hilarius because im 99% sure this would cause mayhem to say 
infact, actual demolitions experts judged copper sulfate as being a very dangerous and very VERY powerful explosive, in need of being blown away with
great force, the persons who judged this was actual ''experts''
im not saying im superior in any possible way, but you dont need much to top the top, sadly..
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S.C. Wack
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Perhaps it should be noted that in the US, city police and firemen are the best of the best, the "top" 5% of generally hundreds if not thousands of
applicants every year...they are surely expert, and our explosives detection dogs are so good they can smell inorganic salt, which can be used in explosive devices (as the hexahydrate), justifiably resulting in the shutdown of a
Tampa cruise ship terminal. The unrestricted non-hazmat Mg(NO3)2·6H2O molecule is so volatile and penetrating that it contaminates every pallet in
the warehouse with dog-inducing explosives scent; this wasn't the first time.
In other a bit off-topic magnesium-related Florida news, it might be Mg in a shed...EVACUATE 49 HOUSES AND LOCK DOWN 3 SCHOOLS
http://www.cfnews13.com/content/news/cfnews13/news/article.h...
..."From what I understand and from what I hear from the guys is that it is a lot of chemicals. It is a lot of dangerous chemicals,” explained
Jeff Williamson, spokesperson for the Orange County Sheriff’s Office. “And because of that they are going to take their time, methodically go
through it. These guys don't want to be hurt so no one is rushing through this."
Williamson said some of the chemicals were labeled, some were in Tupperware. Orange County investigators originally said one of the chemicals was
magnesium. They now say they are not sure, and it will be tested....
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http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2013-05-02/news/os-suspi...
Five or six kinds of volatile chemicals were found Wednesday in the shed and home of a fireworks enthusiast who died last week of natural causes,
prompting an evacuation of his east Orange County manufactured-home park.
Members of the Sheriff's Office and Fire Rescue bomb squads late Wednesday "rendered safe" more than 40 pounds of explosives,
sheriff's spokesman Jeff Williamson said. That usually means blowing them up, but Williamson would not be more specific.
Deputies think the chemicals were used to make fireworks, he said.
A shelter was set up at nearby Corner Lake Middle School for the roughly 70 people who were evacuated about 10:30 a.m. from about 50 homes in the
Alafaya Palms community near Lake Pickett and East Colonial drives.
Residents were allowed back in their homes about eight hours later.
A worker hired to clean out the shed 1849 La Crosse Ave. after the owner's death found the chemicals and contacted authorities.
"These are volatile chemicals," said Orange County Fire Rescue Chief Rick Reynolds, who declined to identify them. "I'll say this: If there was a
fire, I would not like to roll up on something like this."
Local agencies worked with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives to identify each substance.
Alafaya Palms resident George Diaz lives across the street from the contaminated home and knew his neighbor as a nice man who kept
mostly to himself...
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Cou
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Only terrorists need to learn about chemistry. Why don't you play sports with your friends and get in fights like a real american kid should?
-sarcasm
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Fantasma4500
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| Quote: Originally posted by Cou | Only terrorists need to learn about chemistry. Why don't you play sports with your friends and get in fights like a real american kid should?
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dont forget the drugs controlled by the good guys, THE GOOD GUYS they cant hurt you.. its not the terrorists creeping around with
them anymore
go watch some television and stop being so violent and angered, everything is gonna solve itself, the system is here to help you, just close your eyes
and let it solve it all for you
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