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[*] posted on 27-3-2010 at 08:04
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Hello my friends , I have a question please , i'd like to understand how to separate magnesium chloride , potassium chloride and magnesium sulfate from seawater , i know that when you evaporate seawater between 100% and 50% first the calcium carbonate (CaCO3= limestone) precipitates out, Between 50% and 20%, gypsum precipitates out (CaSO4.2H2O . Between 20% and 1% sea salt precipitates (NaCl) but going further, how can i separate magnesium chloride , potassium chloride and magnesium sulfate ?

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[*] posted on 27-3-2010 at 10:44


It is very difficult to separate the KCl and MgCl2 by differential crystallization, because of the similarity of their solubilities, which can result in the formation of crystals of the double salt carnallite, KCl.MgCl2.6H2O, found in deposits as a mineral in some areas of ancient dried-up salt lakes, although in association with potash, KCl, and chloromagnesite, MgCl2. They are much more soluble than common salt (halite), NaCl, and LiCl, which would deposit out first. However, the solubility of MgSO4 is slightly less, and can come out as epsomite, MgSO4.6H2O, while the bromides and iodides of alkali and alkaline earth metals are more soluble than the chlorides.

Also, before the sparingly soluble gypsum, CaSO4.2H2O (with Sr replacing some of the Ca, as SrSO4 is less soluble), precipitates out, there would be the deposition from solution of the small amounts of the phosphates and fluorides of certain of the alkali and alkaline earth metals, noting that CaF2/SrF2 (fluorite), LiF, and Li3PO4 are only very slightly soluble, and (Ca,Sr)3(PO4)2 and Mg3(PO4)2 almost totally insoluble.


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[*] posted on 27-3-2010 at 10:54


Quote: Originally posted by Toshiro  
how can i separate magnesium chloride , potassium chloride and magnesium sulfate ?


MgCl2 hydrated breaks down when heated giving off HCl and MgO (barely soluble), mechanism here. Since in sea water more Cl- than MgSO4 is present (chart below by Donald Garett, in terms of compounds see the same reference), all of the Mg can be reacted by that route. Thus, you would be left with mostly alkali chloride and sulfate and MgO (difficultly soluble). After filtration, mainly the former two. Much of the alkali sulfate should be separable by fractional crystallization by chilling. This will leave an impure chloride behind (still containing some SO4, traces of MgO, Sr, BO3, Br, etc). You might want to hit the literature about some processes to see how separation has been done.

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[*] posted on 27-3-2010 at 11:07


That is a very incomplete analysis, particularly omitting N, Si, P, I, F, Li, Sr, Al, Fe, which are present in small but significant amounts, and many other elements present in trace (ppm to ppb) amounts. I have a textbook on geochemistry somewhere which gives a very complete analysis

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[*] posted on 27-3-2010 at 13:47


Thanks everyone , please post this analysis JohnWW and a process to separate all salts from seawater ...
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[*] posted on 27-3-2010 at 18:01


You'll need to find some of the solubility charts worked out decades ago, as crystallisation of complex mixtures is ... complex, as JohnWW said.

The exact order of crystallisation, and the salts crystallising, depends on the temperature as well as the salinity. Potassium, magnesium, and sodium form a number of mixed chlorides and sulfates, and the product at a given point of evaporation will often be a mixture of several salts such as KMgCl3·6(H2O) (Carnallite) with K2SO4·MgSO4·MgCl2·6(H2O), K2SO4·MgSO4·4(H2O), and KCl.

And most of those mixed salts are only stable when crystallised from the starting mixture, recrystallising one from solution in plain water gives different results; in fact this is how they often are purified. Carnallite as mined is dumped in a MgCl2 brine and heated, the KCl dissolves while much of the NaCl and MgSO4 do not; cooling resulting in a mixture of mostly KCl with some magnesium and sodium as mixed halides and the remaining magnesium-rich brine is used in another extraction from more carnallite.

See United States Patent 3852044 for a bit more, and the attached PDF discusses the fate of some of the trace elements



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[*] posted on 28-3-2010 at 08:55


You answered my question , thanks a lot my friend
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[*] posted on 30-3-2010 at 00:38


If NaOH add to solution contain magnesium chloride or magnesium sulphate then magnesium hydrooxide will separate.
Here there is company that produce diffrent chemical from sea water(NaOH,NaClO,CaClO,HCl,MgSO4,KCl,KOH,MgCl2,..)
They boil water by sunlight(using mirror) and add certain chemical to it for separation.

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